One day, some of you people will learn that when it comes to other people’s personal habits, until they impact on you in some fashion, your ONLY role is to mind your own business.
This woman would probably be devastated, Nisobar, if she found out that you came to some message board to post about her because she decided to buy a doughnut in your line of sight. God forbid she make a personal choice that doesn’t have a damn thing to do with you but you happen to disagree with!
It’s not appropriate to talk about people behind their backs. If you wouldn’t say anything to this woman’s face (which clearly you lacked the stones to do) by what right do you come here to insult her?
This isn’t about thin vs. fat, this is about ridiculously-motherfucking-stupidly-rude vs. common sense politeness.
When when WHEN will people get a clue that there is no such thing as “bad” foods and “good” foods?
After you eat a donut, your body breaks it down into chemicals. Then the liver takes it from there. Your body doesn’t know the difference. We could take a blood sample from you and a blood sample from me and regardless of what we each ate yesterday, we’re gonna find basically the same chemicals floating around.
If you eat more than your body needs, you will get fat whether you are eating donuts or low fat cookies (if you want to call them cookies).
Ok, I’ll assume you are correct and they will find basically the same chemicals floating around. But how about the levels of said chemicals? Given your statement, the blood sample of somebody who eats a high fat, high cholesterol diet will look the same as somebody who eats a low fat, low cholesterol diet (all others held equal). To that, I call bullshit.
While I thoroughly disagree with the OP, I also detest replies that depend on hypothetical scenarios. “What if she visited this message board…” Bollocks! Anyone can create a fictional “what-if” situation to support their views. The fundie Xtians do this all the time. Deal with the facts in the case, and don’t add any imaginary bits to bolster your position.
Have you ever been in the Pit before? People routinely criticize other folks here, from family members to complete strangers. In any event, “talking behind the back” applies ONLY to people with whom you have a prior relationship and who would expect that you would confront them openly. A stranger has no such expectation and therefore is fair game to be bitched about, since she will never, ever know what was said.
A local guy weighed around 450 pounds. Diabetes, problems with his legs, had difficulty working, smoked a lot, aged 47. Died a month ago of a heart attack leaving a wife and six children. 47 years old.
Knowing the man slightly, I don’t think he was in denial about his physical state but I do wonder if he might almost have been glad for the release from the physical prison he created for himself. I think he might have been getting that desperate.
Last time I looked at any research online, it said people who are grossly obese usually live to the mid-50’s range – maybe the smoking took this guy out sooner, maybe it was the obesity-induced diabetes, maybe something else . . .
As best I know, statistics say gross obesity will almost certainly lead to an early death, just a question of how early.
Quite possibly- however if you have said condition wouldn’t you have to be more careful about what you eat? The problem with most donuts is the truly stunning amounts of saturated fat and calories those sweet tasty, sugary delites pack in to an easily devored package.
Much like high blood pressure or diabetes, you need to adjust your diet and lifestyle accordingly (and yes I dated someone with this condition, although it turned out to be treatable).
That being said, I feel for the woman in question. Can’t be easy.
I take it that those of you who are so righteously judgmental about other people’s lives and bodies have made sure that all of your own personal habits are impeccable and beyond reproach, 100% of the time?
No. he doesn’t. Read the OP again, “Not long ago, I was out at one of those coffee/bagel carts in Midtown Manhattan, buying a coffee, and in front of me was this really obese woman buying a big doughnut,”; he is clearly talking about a stranger.
If your meaning is to imply in an ironic manner that nisobar pretends to know the woman’s eating habits and medical history, I’m right with you.
You are right up to a point–“If you eat more than your body needs, you will get fat” is absolutely correct, but that doesn’t mean that all foods have the same proportions of calories or nutrients. In reference to fats alone, you need to recognize the different properties and effects on the body of polyunsaturated fats, monounsaturated fats, saturated fats, and transfatty acids. This is not a GQ thread so I’m not going to go into details, but I assure you they are not interchangeable.
gobear, did you miss the point where nisobar clarified that he knows this woman? And I didn’t say “what if she visited” I said “if she knew.” Meaning, quite clearly, that learning that nisobar was talking about her in this way would hurt.
I’m from the school of thought that you shouldn’t say anything about a person outside of their presence that you wouldn’t say to their face. If nisobar had come here asking for advice on how to approach his acquaintance to tell her that he was worried about her health, it’d be a different matter. Instead he came here to bitch about something that isn’t his business to bitch about. I don’t hold with that. It’s bullshit.
You’re kidding, right?
This woman was not a stranger to nisobar, by his own admission.
And there’s a considerable difference between pitting a non-Doper for doing something inappropriate which directly impacts upon you (see my Pit thread about the security guard who assaulted me, as a for instance or a recent one from a card store clerk complaining about customers who damage and destroy merchandise) and pitting someone for being something you dislike (in this case, fat) and doing something which bothered you (buying a doughnut) which has absolutely no bearing on your life whatsoever.
I promised myself I was going to lurk and not post. I almost posted after tlw’s virtual wagging of her finger to the OP about not talking about people behind their back but go(teddy)bear beat me to it.
This is silly - now I’m craving a donut, and I may just go get one.
And you know what? It’s bad for me, and will clog my arteries. And yet no one is going to “tut-tut” me or go back and post a rant about me on their message board - because I’m not morbidly obese.
The fact that eating a donut unmolested is something I take for granted, but is impossible for someone who is bigger than me, is madness.
Everyone should have the right to eat a donut in peace, if that’s what s/he wants to do. Nobody’s business but ours.
I’m off to get a Honey Glazed to eat with my coffee …
It would reallty help the discussion if the pro-fat people and the anti-fat folks would bother to learn about the subject because right now all of you are talking nonsense.
About “glandular conditions”:
From a diabetes Web site:
Some people do have a genetic predisposition to obesity, but that means it’s harder for them to keep their body fat levels low, not impossible. Eating right and exercising will still help keep down one’s level of body fat.
In any event, obesity is a physical problem, not a spiritual one. Making judgments about another person’s character and willpower based solely on their appearance is incredibly shallow and stupid.
The trick is to be as healthy as you can be. If you have a genetic predisposition to obesity, you are probably never going to look like the Men’s Health cover model, but that doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t try to achieve your own individual level of fitness and overall health.
