See, there’s your problem. If you think that saying any of those things will do anything other than antagonize the other party, at best you’re fooling yourself.
STFU.
PS. If saying calm down antagoizes the other party…well, then they are a bunch of irrational shit heads in the first place.
You’re acting irrationally. Calm down.
See, I just responded rationally.
I actually was able to calm down.
Pull the other one.
I don’t hear whistles anymore; I’m getting old. Ha!
I’m really intrigued by this, having witnessed it up close. And having an example of it be very honest. She clued us co-workers in on what it’s like to have been a Southern Belle who had so much privilege due to lineage and looks, and then to see it slipping away in middle age.
The problem was, she’d missed grabbing a sugar daddy, so was trying to get/use some actual skills in her 40s, and it was foreign territory for her. As a defense, she’d fall back on tales of “cozyin’ up” to generals and CEOs at society parties, and I cringed at phrases like “Way-ull, his wahfe was starin’ daggers at me, but you just know ah was cute as a button!”
Gag. I wish now I’d gotten some good racial comments from her for this thread.
Oddly enough, I do kind of find this thread refreshing in a way. Someone expresses an fairly offensive opinion and everyone is hearing him out / letting him speak. It all does feel kind of surreal considering I’ve seen pile- ons (piles-on?) over some really innocent comments that people got themselves in a big old SJW tizzy over. Not sure where those people are now but I don’t need to hear them defend old white women either. Like every other insult, if you know it not to be true about yourself, who cares what an anonymous person on the internet says? I’m still having a hard time believing this isn’t some kind of. . . experiment, but carry on, I say. And for the record, old black women can be downright cunts also. And Jews? Fuck me, I learned years ago not to take them on.
No, this thread is about older white women and it is a real thing. Old black women tend to be real dears in my experience and I have loved many of them better than my own relatives.
I like Jews just fine but I consider most American ones white as well. They can definitely be pains in the asses too though. The only thing that ever threw me off about those bitches is that they use words that I don’t understand when they get mad. Oy!, how is a Southern boy supposed to respond to a perceived insult that may or may not have happened?
In the spirit of Festivus, it is really the Italian-Americans (especially the women because I was married to one) that I have a problem with this year and I have felt that way ever since Season 3 of The Jersey Shore.
There is a situation joke here somewhere.
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Oh.
Well, goodness knows there have been so few offensive opinions publicly expressed lately, it makes a nice change.
Is this a trick question? Many people care about stereotypes of a particular group, even if the stereotype in question doesn’t apply to them personally, because stereotyping groups is derogatory and offensive. I thought that was fairly well understood.
Personally, I’m still waiting to hear how the OP happens to know that the rich old racist sexist bitchy white women he’s complaining about were (a) formerly pretty, and (b) second wave feminists.
Sorry, I missed this the first time.
I am extrapolating from the personal experiences I have with old white second wave feminist women I know. Then I generalize that characterization and stereotype to other women that I think have the same characteristics. This is almost the definition of prejudice and stereotyping. So you’re right, I can’t state for a fact that every incident of bitchy old white woman was a verified formerly pretty second wave feminist. It may just be that old white women generally are more likely to by raging fucking racist entitled douchebags but I was trying to narrow down the factors that seemed to increase the likelihood of raging fucking racist entitled douchebags.
I “came of age” with mostly second wave feminist theory (think Mary Daly or Andrea Dworkin). Generally second wave feminism starts with the publication of The Feminist Mystique and goes into the 80s, third wave picks up around the early 90s - some people date it from the Anita Hill trial in 1991. I graduated with a women’s studies minor in 1988. I began identifying as a feminist in high school.
Despite there being a possible “forth wave feminism” (social media), my seventeen year old daughter is definitely a third wave feminist. Her issues are around slut shaming, sexual violence, individual expression, and diversity (i.e. she is not of the 'white feminist" movement as I am). She may evolve into a forth wave feminist - should such a thing actually need differentiation. (We share the sexual violence concern, but her views on feminist theory - yes, I live in a house where I discuss feminist theory with a seventeen year old girl - are marketedly different than mine.)
You can argue my life and feminist waves, but I’m sort of the expert on my life, and I do hold a minor in women’s studies from that period in time - I’m possibly more qualified to identify which wave I fit in. Which is early third, or late second - but “just post second” is an adequate identifier for where I fit given my academic background, experiences growing up, age and the lack of consensus on where second ends and third starts.
(Is this the epitome of mansplaining? - explaining to a woman with a women’s history background how her life fits into feminist waves?)
OK, I consider myself corrected.
It would be if I knew you were a woman with a women’s history background. Mansplaining gets overdiagnosed. Guys like to explain shit to people around them in an effort to make everyone realize how smart they are. Unless its condescending or patronizing, its not really mansplaining just because a man is explaining something. YMMV
The entire OP seems like nothing but manslaining to me.
You really believe men stop opening doors for women once they’re no longer young and attractive? Or that cranky older women are just bitter they aren’t being fawned over for their beauty any more?
Sorry, but that’s straight up mansplaining in my book.
That’s all you’ve got? I’m younger than your targeted age range, so it’s not that you’re getting personal. It’s that you’re wrong.
Now I get it. There hasn’t been any thoughtful consideration, just cobbling together ideas to fit your own prejudices. How old are you?
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Actually, the original instance of mansplaining was a man telling a woman about a book SHE wrote. He didn’t realize she was the author, he just assumed that his expertise carried more weight than hers (although he’d never read the book). So yeah, what you did was mansplaining - you assumed your knowledge of feminist history was greater than mine for no reason at all and saw fit to correct me and make yourself an expert. Instead, you made yourself look like an idiot.
This is the quote from your own link "when a man condescendingly lectures a woman on the basics of a topic about which he knows very little, under the mistaken assumption that she knows even less. " Nothing in there about you having to know a damn thing about what I know - its sufficient for you to think you know more than I do.
And then you did it a second time with the word mansplaining.
It may be - as your link said - an overused word - but its a really overused rhetorical style - as women have known for years. The overuse mansplaining as a conversational technique is far worse, in my opinion, than the overuse of the word.
Not a trick question at all. There isn’t a fecking thing I or anyone ON A MESSAGE BOARD can do to change the fact that humans form opinions based on their experiences. If the OP is in earnest, than that’s his reality; in his world, old white women ARE bitches. So what? That’s for him to live with or work out or whatever. Even if I could (which neither I nor anyone else can), it’s not my place to change his mind. Maybe one day his life will take him to a place where he meets kind, delightful old white women. Opinions can change but they only change through living.
This is why I get frustrated with this place sometimes. It seems like some people think their tut tutting is going to change things. In my opinion that’s folly and only serves to make this place a real drag sometimes.
Personal opinion is that the reason some men are so disgruntled and whiny about “women” and view them as complicated is because the average man is more aesthetically challenged than the average woman.
Truth of the matter is that men and women are “different” more in degree than in kind, both are fundamentally human. Average man however doesn’t have as keen an aesthetic or beauty sense as the average woman, he thinks too ‘reductive’ and only in terms of boring facts and details, rather than in terms of aesthetics and sensory experience.
Basically the average guy comes across to a woman as a person with Asperger’s disorder comes across to the average Joe.
In some ways I blame modern society for encouraging this, as I feel that society on the whole tends to lean people in the direction of viewing everything in boring, mundane detail, particularily after the industrial revolution, and in modern corporate-dominated 1st world countries, as this does help expedite efficiency when it comes to business, but reduces everything to a boring grey blob.
If the average schmuck learned to improve his aesthetic or art sense without being afraid of seeming “gay”, then he’d be a natural with women without even having to “think” about it, or attempt to use any pre-reheased “tactics” or pick up lines.
This is why musicians still get the most ass of any demographic in males, they aren’t aesthetically retarded like the average boring male cubicle drone who’s about as fun for women to listen to as watching paint dry.