Okay, so since the OP is sincere, can you help me to understand the behavior you’re referring to? Paul Dean type shenanigans are what first come to my mind but you’ve mentioned feminism several times (2nd wave? 3rd wave? no idea what that means) so that wouldn’t seem to include the likes of her. I live in an area with a large amount of old white women, some bitchy, most not, but since I’m a *future *OWW it’s entirely possible they don’t unleash their full bitchiness upon me. I’m looking for actual examples here, not just “they seem” or “they think”.
Y’know what the scariest thing is about 50+ chicks like me?
We do.not.give.a.fuck.what.anyone.thinks. Especially little boys.
TONAWANDA!!!
Damn right. It sounds like the OP has encountered some older women that don’t want to bake him cookies, alter his clothes, be his substituted grandmother, etc., and he is disappointed
That goes double for you.
Look, being old sucks. You can’t eat and drink what you used to when you were young, because you’ll be in constant pain after doing it. Heartbeat becomes erratic, toes and feet tingle, bathroom visits become more frequent, and you can’t recover from pain as quickly as you used to. Your biggest topics of conversation are the meds you’re taking, your constant ailments, and the regularity of your bowel movements. Things like technology change too quickly. You have to adapt somehow or stay behind and miss out, and your remaining coping mechanism is to reminisce about the glory days when you actually had some degree of power and influence. Of course you’re bitter, and you give less of a shit how others feel.
Louis CK had an episode of his show about a similar situation to the OP’s. He took his daughters to visit his great aunt. Louis wanted it to be an educational experience for his kids, so he asked the great aunt what it was like growing up. She said she grew up in a certain place, but her family moved “to get away from all the ners." She also called buckeyes "ner toes.” Louis was caught in the awkward position of having to explain to his daughters that the great aunt was a product of her times and to discourage them from talking like that.
I have noticed that my father has gotten a lot crankier over the last few years. His health is ok, but not awesome (he’s 72). His hearing is horrible, so he misses conversations. He isn’t a doctor sort of guy, so I think there is some pain that isn’t being addressed. He has diabetes, so he can’t eat what he used to. His friends are starting to die - or have health issues that are worse than his that limit them.
On a normal day, he is pretty cheerful. He made his living in sales, so he knows how to be agreeable. Catch him on a cranky day, and - I love him dearly - but he should limit his interaction with people.
My mother and mother in law are both pretty non-cranky yet. My mother in law at 77 doesn’t process information as well as she used to - which can lead to her being a little frustrated - and that can come across as short tempered - a similar thing happens when my Dad misses out on conversations because of his hearing.
I’m 50 - just post second wave feminism. I’ve always been an introvert - which apparently comes across as bitchy. As to entitled - well, I grew up in the generation that promised me women could do anything, one that promised equal pay for equal work, one that held the promise of respect instead of objectification. I think I’m entitled to those things. I think that its disappointing that we still have a long way to go. If that makes me a little bitter, well…as implied upthread, I ran out of fucks right around my 50th birthday and I’m kind of done having other people tell me which emotions are valid for me to have.
No single event would justify this sort of generalization. Any single event can’t help but make this rant seem petty and anecdotal. The OP is based on a lifetime of observation working in retail stores, observing how people behave, etc.
Based on the responses, I am not alone in this observation. Until fairly recently I did not understand the differences between the different waves of feminism but once I got my mind around it, it seemed like all the really nasty women I knew personally were actually second wave feminists (whether they knew it or not). So I limited my characterization to that subset of women.
And lets not forget the New Wave feminists like Debbie Harry. 
There is such a thing as mathematical truth, which tends to be a binary thing. There is truth in physics and chemistry, but that seems to have some blurry edges. When it comes to people and society, the diffusion of truth is far greater – it really is a fluid that cannot be contained in some arbitrary, phraseworthy vessel.
So, there may be some mote of truth in your glurge, but it is nonetheless misogynistic, and the enormity of the latter utterly swamps any possible value to be had from the former.
Isn’t anyone going to bring up “confirmation bias”? I’d never heard this term before I joined here and I never hear it IRL, but this seems like the ideal time to apply it.
Yup. The OP has had whatever bad experiences with a couple old white women, read a Buzz Feed version of waves of feminism theory, drew a bizarre conclusion about second wave feminists being bitter about losing their looks, and voila.
I’d guess the truth is more that the second wave feminists is old enough that they don’t give a shit what a misogynist, ageist, racist asshole like him thinks. Dude, you think that somehow you’re enlightened, but you’re one of the worst I’ve seen.
I think you’re too young by a decade to be a second wave feminist. Think Betty Friedan.
Did I hit a sore spot?
:dubious: Really? Betty Friedan died in 2006, and would be 95 years old if she were alive today.
I’m not sure you actually have a very clear idea on what constitutes a “second wave feminist”. I don’t believe that you’re encountering that many rich white bitchy racist sexist women in their mid-90s.
Yup, just look at all the older women in this thread, clearly not giving a shit. Loudly, argumentatively, and repeatedly not giving a shit.
Damuri, you’re never going to get past the feminist’s thin pink line on this one, but I do admire you for trying. FWIW, I have seen the phenomenon you are describing, though I don’t think it’s as common or as universal as you seem to think.
I would argue that race relations aside, there is a subgroup of women of all races that were catered to in their youth because of beautiful features, that find as they age they miss being fawned over or given special treatment. Not sure if I completely believe it or not but I’m pretty sure I’ve seen at least one female poster on this board before post about how it was a sort of relief of becoming invisible as she aged and lost her looks because along with that she lost the negative attention from men as well, the sexual harassment type experiences, it does sound plausible at least. I would also argue that any attitude attributed to these alleged mean old white ladies probably existed when they were young as well, they were probably always entitled jerks.
You mistake my meaning. I’m not saying that she is the typical age of a second wave feminist. Her book sort of marked the beginning of the second wave.
OIC, it’s manosphere virtue signalling. I was wondering why it made no sense.
I guess you couldn’t hear the dog whistle?
I am puzzled as to how you know these bitchy old white women were “second wave feminists”. Do they all talk a lot about the old days in their consciousness-raising group and attending demonstrations in favor of Title X, or what?