So do I take it that you haven’t got a cite for the incident you referenced in your OP, and that you don’t have any evidence that the group of cyclists you target are as dangerous as you allege? Look probably no need to reply, really. I think we’ve figured it out.
Right. Mr Miskatonic in my experience takes extraordinary caution to make this very thing exceedingly plain. You’ve hit the nail on the head here.
That’s because if one is not determined to avoid seeing it, it is quite plain from the OP that he is accusing a particular clique of cyclists of being dangerous without evidence. He identifies them in his third para by their clothing and bikes not by their behaviour. Insofar as he does allege a behaviour he attributes it to all such cyclists without exception. The behaviour he does identify is of going fast and looking ahead. He has produced not a whit of evidence that this particular group of cyclists go fast enough to be a danger or that they fail to keep a lookout appropriately. He suggests they are outriding their reaction time which is, in context and if you understand physics, bizarre.
In the usual way, since having his OP torn to pieces he has engaged in revisionist prevarication (as is usual on this topic) suggesting that all he ever meant was that he thought that bad cyclists were, yanno, like bad and that he wasn’t taking to task a group based on how they looked or other irrelevant details. Oh no sir, not him.
Actually I’ve thought long and hard about this and have decided not to.
The man who got himself killed does have family and having him identified publicly as a cause of a pitting would be hurtful in the extreme to those mourning his death.
Its not THEIR fault.
Now you can take this as an act of moral cowardice on my part(though I believe that to do otherwise would be kicking people when they’re down) or you might share my opinion that I’m showing some sensitivity to those who are going through a pretty bad time at the moment.
You have my word on my mums soul that the incident did indeed take place.
If you believe that I would lie on my mums soul then there is no further point in carrying on this discussion.
I see that you’ve upped your vocabulary to try and give the impression that you’re making an adult contribution to this discussion,like it,like it alot but sorry no cigar.
Were you up all night looking for pompous,grownup sounding words in the dictionary?
You still haven’t contributed one actual position in the thread.
You have however repeatedly told me what I really meant when I’ve said this that or the other,or to be more realistic you’ve told me what you’d have liked me to say in your own sick,twisted little mind .
If you wish to make a contribution then make one, you nasty little bore but stop regurgitating bizarre,distorted versions of my comments .
You mention in another thread that you’ve "learned "your “debating” style from these boards,well sorry you haven’t,you dont debate you just shout and bawl and again and again and again you raise strawmen.
Thats it,thats the limit of your capability,you just cant in all honesty raise your game one jot.
You are a sad little creep on these boards and I have no doubt at all that you are just as much a sad lonely little drip IRL.
If you cant tell the truth then then do us all a favour and keep your trap well and truly SHUT.
Bye Bye,I’m sure there are other people you need to obsess on,a stalkers work is never done eh?
Not to me it doesn’t,anyone who would swear on their mums soul and then lied would in my eyes be the lowest form of scum on this Earth and not worth talking to let alone debating with.
Any position they made would effectively be meaningless.
And I totally stand by this without equivication.
"*a particular breed of street cyclist who are at best a fucking nuisance, at worst a serious danger to themselves,other road users and pedestrians.
They are easily identified because they virtually always ride racing bikes and have all of the acoutrements of Tour de France athletes,the crash hat,the lycra etc.etc.
pretending to be pro racers they have absaloutley no awareness of what the fuck is happening around them…going much faster then their reaction ability can handle resulting in everyone else in their vicinity having to get out of their way or risk a collision.
I have been fuming about this subject for some time but what has brought me to actually making this pitting is reading in my local paper that one of these characters has just got himself killed by running into the side of an articulated lorry."*
A google news search of UK incidents involving cyclists and trucks & lorries for the last 5 months gives no incidents even vaguely close to that:
“[Eilidh Cairns] died following a lorry accident on her way to work. A 53-year-old lorry driver was arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving but had not been charged as we went to press.”
“Michael Filgate, 38, pleaded guilty to causing the death of Derek Witt by driving a Peugeot dangerously on the Itchen Bridge in Southampton and causing death by driving without a licence or insurance.”
" A HAMPSHIRE cyclist was crushed to death by the wheels of a heavy goods vehicle, an inquest heard. Glenn Syder was less than 20m away when the articulated lorry started to pull out of a junction and into his path.Nahal, 37, from Hayes, Middlesex, was fined a total of £335 and given six penalty points after admitting driving without due care and attention and failing to comply with a give-way sign."
But you assure me that you’re being honest, the incident did happen, and despite your happiness to criticise a dead man in the OP, now your sympathy for his reletives prevents you providing a link to this, but you swear it’s true, upon the soul of your mother.
I must reluctantly conclude that you are full of shit.
Grand. Tell you what, all you need to do is give date and place of the incident, and I can find it. That way, there’s no way you could possibly add to the suffering of the poor deceased’s family, and all can see that you aren’t a particularly sad little person who when caught in a blatant lie starts backpedalling faster even than the targets of his op, trying to substantiate their position with some really quite alarming “upon my mother’s soul” nonsense.
Do that, and a quick google search or call to the local paper will confirm your story, and I’ll most happily apologise.
Pathetic. It was as you say reported in the local paper. You seriously think that his family are, through some really quite stunning co-incidence, going to happen to be reading this thread and recognise your link?
You just don’t want us to see the story because your reporting of it is horseshit, and doesn’t support your OP.
No. He stated a specific event had fucked him off. Either it happened- in which case I’d like to read about it to understand the behaviour the OP is fucked off about - or it didn’t. If it’s the latter, he’s created an impressively pointless form of RO, fabricating incidents to be pissed off about.
Indeed I am. He needs a specific cite about the incident he mentions (and he’s pretty much admitted he can provide but won’t) and a cite for his contention that the group of people he’s slandering actually have a higher rate of causing injury, damage etc than usual.
It would be pretty pointless for me to start a thread and mention that it was as a result of seeing an item in the local news,I could just as easily have started the thread anyway as I have been pissed off with the antics of these people for some time and it would not have made any difference to the content of my pitting.
My opinion of the contents of the news item after making allowances for Media Filtration are my own and are my right,my opinion is not wrong because it doesn’t match your opinion made from skimming the internet from the other side of the world whilst mine is made up with a healthy measure of skepticism plus local knowledge.
Media Filtration is used because it will make the item more popular/less antagonistic with the reading/watching public.
It is bad enough that a member of a decent family dies and has people desperately mourning their loss without intimating that though acting within the law the victim was at least partially,and possibly more then partially responsible for their own fate.
Here in the UK we have in the last couple of years had a quite significant rise of young males killed as a result of stabbings.
If the press are to be believed virtually all if not ACTUALLY all of the victims have died while intervening to try and prevent a fight.
Not one of them was aggressive either verbally or physically to their murderers reportedly but were universally Good Samaritans whos only intentions were to help others.
Not one of them was in any way involved in gangs.
Well the second one is at least technically correct as at least one victim was NOT a member of a gang but of a “Music Collective”.
Eventually a picture of this M.C. was published and it did not look like the group of creative writers you’d like to bump into in a dark alley late at night.
So you can make up your own mind on the veracity of the statistics as reported by the media.
In the U.K. press decent people who die tragically tend to get a free ride from the media and this includes motorists,cyclists etc.
As to the dead cyclists family being readers of this M.B.I honestly do not know,but I DO know for definite that within my local area there are at least some lurkers who read the Dope who know who I am in real life(Though I haven’t the foggiest idea how they know and who as far as I’m concerned didn’t know them from Adam)and who can and do spread any gossip picked up on these boards faster then radio.
So IMO the family would indeed definitely find out.
So I’m damned if I do and I’m damned if I dont.
Refuse to out the dead cyclists accident and I’m a filthy liar.
Or reveal the dead cyclists accident report and I’m a filthy,hurtful swine just making things worse for the grieving family.
I’ve made my decision and I’m going to stick to it.
I have started wondering if the vehemence of people who are not even of this country and their abusivness but total lack of input about the actual subject i.e. a sub section of anti social cycle commuters in the U.K. is more to do with wanting a fight then any genuine knowledge or interest in the topic at hand.
Much has been made of Lycra etc. with a great deal of almost incandecent indignation being aired about this basically peripheral detail of the subject
I DO realise that there are people with serious issues in their personal lives who use Cyberspace as a means of getting "revenge "on the world,or men,or self confident people,or people with jobs,or more money etc. etc.
I also realise that closer to home I have quite often hurt peoples feelings,peoples friends and loved ones on these M.Bs(For which I make absoloutely NO apologies)
and if they cant get their own back on me at the time they are not averse to biding their time and even getting their friends to give them a hand with the backstabbing.
I dont know if this is the case with this thread but if indeed it IS the case then I would not be stunned with amzement.
To those reading this if this is the real reason for posting here then cut the crap about pretending to be interested in the thread subject and go ahead and do your worst.
I’m not averse to the odd fight myself and on occassion quite enjoy it.
I find it always a little bit more satisfying taking on odds as I have to make a little bit more effort and I always like to think that my opposition has at least a sporting chance against me.
Arrogant I know but then again I’ve never said that I was a nice person.
I don’t know you from Adam, and don’t give a flying fuck who you are. My only interest in this topic is because the behaviour you allege to have seen in your OP is not something I’ve seen either as a cyclist (road/MTB/commuting) or a driver.
Oh, seen a shit load of fucking awful cyclists on the road who were bloody dangerous, but it’s more often on jean clad kids on jump bikes or mtbs than road bikes. In fact the lycra brigade tend to be a bit older, and usually a bit more road savvy.
Hence my request for a link to the incident. However, following your bizarre denial on the grounds of whatever shite excuse you’re now claiming, with all the truly cringingly awful “upon the soul of my mother” bollocks, I now have to presume you’re just talking out of your hole.
Fuck, tell you what. PM me the date and name, and I’ll quite happily publicly post an apology for doubting you if I’m wrong. If you don’t trust me (I’ll forego swearing on the soul of relatives) we can select a neutral UK based third party such as jjimm or one of the other regulars and they can verify it for you. There you go, no chance at all of upsetting surviving family then.
I suspect the incident OP was referring to was actually the one Lute linked to on post #77. Trouble from him is that incident would seem to be entirely the trucker’s fault. The OP seems to be trying to (badly) cover for that ever since with all this ‘concern for the family’ bull.
In the OP you gave three identifiers to be able to pick out this particular type of cyclist. Since you seem to be lacking in the short term memory department allow me to list them for you. They are:
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[li]Racing bikes[/li][li]the crash hat[/li][li]the lycra[/li][/ul]So 33.3% of the identifiers you gave us is lycra.
Peripheral. I don’t think that word means what you think it means.
Speaking just for myself, I don’t consider something that is 1/3 of the whole to be peripheral.
You posted an OP containing grossly unfair generalisations. You have provided no cites to back your position. You are currently posting what are almost certainly complete lies in order to cover up the fact that you don’t want us to see that the alleged incident you want to use to support your position doesn’t support you. Even if it did go some tiny way to supporting you it wouldn’t be the sort of broad statistical analysis that would be required to support your position properly. By every single standard of this message board your ass has been kicked from here to kingdom come and deservedly so. Your current triumphalist drivel rings as hollow as a hot air balloon, but doesn’t fly as well. If you think that you are fooling anybody, you are delusional.