Right but the thing is, the doors were taken off after all of the victims had already been removed. That’s what I find so puzzling. And the shoving through the windshield, I have to agree with Boyo Jim, tha the windshield and evidence in/on it would be pretty pertinent to an accident investigation. I mean, of all the places to put that door… :smack:
It’s a State by State thing. Some states do have laws against that, others don’t. It was one of the things that people were warned about when they arrived at new duty stations - to get the window tinting on their cars checked out by local law-enforcement.
Where do you get that from? Your AP link has a picture of a body being carried past two missing doors.
Of course I’m not going to rule out a massive fuck-up. But what about my earlier point, that the further damage to the windscreen caused during transportation will make it useless as evidence, so anything pertinent would be gathered at the scene?
Yep, but it’s actually SOP for rescue ops to chuck large debris: doors, roof, etc. into the vehicle after the job. Makes it easier for the cleanup.
Ok, I could be mistaken, but a caption on that same photo on another site (damn now I can’t find it) indicates that that body was recovered from the road next to the car, not from inside it.
How would a ride on a flatbed “damage” the windshield of the car so badly that it would be “useless as evidence”. 
Besides, we’re talking transfer of evidence from one part of the car to another. Blood evidence from the outside of the back door isn’t going to get on the dashboard just from the car riding on a flatbed. But it sure as hell will if ya shove the door right through the windshield…
Well, if we’re talking about just victims inside the car, my question remains, where do you get the fact that the doors weren’t removed until they were all out?
I don’t understand what evidence is to be gained from a shattered piece of glass anyway, but especially from one that’s been shaken around on a truck.
With medical personnel crawling around the vehicle, people being pulled out of it, other people (possibly injured) having been all over the place, you’re worried about the transfer of blood evidence? Plus what 2gigch1 said.
By the time the tow truck had arrived, the car had given up all the evidence that it was going to. When it goes to get towed, it is released to the tow truck driver who is going to pile all the parts on or in it any way possible. A door though a broken window? Probably the easiest way to store it.
I agree that there are no door on the car in the photos in liked by the OP, with the body being removed. So it would seem to me that the door were removed by the first responders to access the interior to get to the bodies, and injured.
The only thing that surprises me is that they didn’t pull the driver’s door also.
FTR Crown Vics were available to the general public in as recently as 2007. In 2008 they are fleet purchase only. There are literately millions of Crown Vics on the road in 2008.
You don’t? Really?
Ok, obviously it’s* blood and tissue* evidence There WILL be a huge investigation into exactly who impacted the windshield of this car, vs being hit by debris, run over by the 10-wheeler, etc. They have contaminated the integrity of that evidence by shoving the bloody car’s door through it.
But the thing of it is there isn’t much need for a big chain of forensic evidence: we’ve got plenty of witnesses and the driver did not flee the scene. It’s not terribly important to figure out who got hit by what when - everyone got hit by the car.
Don’t need to get all CSI over this, all the parts are present on the scene. Unfortunately some of the parts were still stuck in the car.
Okay, well, you were there and heard what folks were saying, so I guess you guys are right.
Without the info in this thread, it sure did sound fishy tho… :eek:
I think you are right to question an event like this. It is notable that it was a Crown Vic in a police package. Prince George’s county’s police department has a history that would bring one to question this event, and a cover-up of a chase gone bad would certainly not be out of the question. The indictment I mentioned earlier from a fatal chase last year was a black eye on the department and they did not go willingly there.
The accident was totally messed up and question DO need to be asked. Fortunately, today we’ve got answers.
Even today I heard a chase a begin where the officer on MLK near 702 was trying to pull over a Nissan for a traffic offense and they took off running. Because it was ‘only’ a traffic offense the commander order the pursuit terminated and the car got away.
Personally I don’t agree but it’s a common practice in the DC metro area.
I don’t see where there is going to be a big investigation to figure out which body was flying where. It doesn’t really matter, there was a horrible accident and that’s pretty much that.
What I found very odd was who the hell has family night at 3:30 in the morning by the side of a road!?
One woman was quoted as saying she grabbed her daughter but her dad couldn’t get out of the way in time. Wow, 3 generations of one family out in the middle of the night watching illegal drag racing. Then her brother checked in as he was there too.
Another guy was mentioned as being married with three children at home. WTF?
These weren’t the participants but spectators.
I would have guessed everyone involved were teens or twenties and I wouldn’t have guessed in a million years, until I looked at the linked pictures, that blacks were into this. I thought street racing was a redneck thing.
Ignorance fought I suppose.
What I couldn’t fathom was what the woman (same one whose father was killed) said in the interview today. Something along the lines if “I don’t understand why this happen to us”. Um, what? You stood in the middle of a busy highway with a 55-mph speed limit, hidden by a cloud of smoke and you “don’t understand” how you got hit by an oncoming car?
My question is, were those headlights on, or were they off? Are the police going to investigate this? Why would the woman whose father was killed think they were off? Further, IF they really were off, how the heck did she even see that car, given the amount of smoke, and the fact that it was dark?!! Something’s fishy here, and I think it might be a, er, confused eyewitness to give the benefit of the doubt.
Both headlights were smashed out during the accident. My understanding from reading another forum is that a forensic lab can determine by studying the filaments/whatever whether the bulbs were on or off when they were broken. No idea if this true or not.
2gigch1 can you share what you heard/know about the headlight question?
It’s obviously a conspiracy to cover up a Palestinian-Jewish plot for world domination. Why else would you remove a car door without authorization and a press release? Too many things going on there to be police SOP. It’s a conspiracy, I tell you! Alert the Troofers!
:rolleyes:
I would imagine it required only the most rudimentary investigation skills to determine that the blood on the shattered windshield belonged to the bloody dead body they retrieved from the front seat of the car. Once this simple observation has been made, what additional evidence to you think can be gleaned from the broken windshield?
Um, the blood of all the *other 7 * people that also hit the hood/windshield/roof of the car and bounced off perhaps?
For what?
I also am struck by the ages of the people who were out standing on that road in the middle of the night. Teenagers I could understand, but adults? Just how lacking for entertainment is this community? What, they don’t have tv sets? Not being teenagers you’d have thought at least one of them would have said, “Hey, let’s not stand in the road.”