Nah, I haven’t retracted it. I just worded it poorly or I wasn’t specific enough.
Again my bad, as I’vee said, my writting skill are piss poor at best.
Anyone who drinks must be a troll! :rolleyes:
I don’t want you guys to think I keep coming back here to defend SHAKES, because I surely don’t agree with him, but come on people, there are many bigger assholes and idiots in this very thread. At least shakes seems to be open to debate and, minus the dumbshits, we might still change his mind.
Kudos to people like SolGrundy who are actually trying to change his open mind with sound and compassionate posts rather than coming in here wearing their favorite asshole shirt and doing the asshole dance.
See, maybe I have too much faith in humanity but I gotta think that he’s going to retract this statement eventually, simply based on logic. He’s obviously smart enough to use a keyboard, and this is one of the most ridiculous statements I’ve ever heard, therefore he must eventually retract it.
Think about it Shakes. Seriously stop and think about it for awhile.
Shakes, honestly, why do you even give a shit? Don’t you agree that peaceful honest people ought to be free to pursue their own happiness in their own way? Don’t you agree that a man has fulfilled his ethical obligation to you if he grants you that same freedom? Don’t you agree that your own life is filled with sufficient complexity to dissuade you from bothering to live the lives of others? Why should your plans be imposed on someone else or his on you? Can’t you just leave a man alone until he calls for your assistance, and wouldn’t you rather he would do the same for you? If a man’s brain is producing an attraction to other men, are you not foolish for calling it unnatural? Was it not the brain with which he was born? And if he is an honorable man who deals with others peacefully and honestly, are you not foolish for calling him a deviant? And if his body is healthy, his mind is sharp, and he is happy, are you not foolish for calling him sick? If you would truly seek to do the world some good, then turn your inspection inward. You will find that there reside all the problems you perceive.
Seems to me he explained himself lenghtily in the quoted thread…
You know it’s funny you mention this because I was just thinking to myself earlier if I had met more people like Sol as far as gay friends go maybe I wouldn’t have such a cynical view or opinion of gays. Unfortunately I’ve (apparently) had super bad luck with the gay people I’ve met and thought were my friends. And to be quite honest it’s a hard feeling to shake.
Not that I’m trying to make excuses for my opinions or anything; it’s just what I was thinking is all…
I’d still be hard pressed to believe that gay isn’t a condition as opposed to what nature intended though…
Hypostatization fallacy. Nature does not “intend” anything. A man is born with his brain. His brain produces chemicals via electrical synaptic discharges. These chemicals stir up within him a sexual attraction. What could possibly be more natural?
Either you are an idiot or you are no different than Shakes and are a more moderate and genial version of Fred Phelps.
Regardless, the concept that poor Shakes is getting a bad shake is bullshit. He’s an unrepentant bigot who tries to hide behind the illusion that he is open to learning.
With you I’m leaning more towards idiot or victim of massive head injury… to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Yea, you’re exactly right you fucking troglodyte. I’m a head-injured Fred Phelps because I don’t agree with spitting venom at someone who is obviously very, very ignorant but not much of a deliberate asshole. I mean, it’s not like it’s our job here to fight ignorance or anything :rolleyes:.
Try getting one person who is familiar with my posting history to agree with you.
Good lord Mockingbird! I don’t see what the fuck your problem is (or other peoples as a matter of fact)
I’ve already said I’ll accept the gay issues just not embrace them.
What do I have to do? Collectively raise the whole gay community up on my shoulders and sing their name in praise?
Is that what it takes to NOT be a bigot?
Japanese businesses can freely discriminate based on race, national origin, the tattoos you have…etc 
Well, honey, for starters, you could try retracting your “gays are diseased and inherently inferior” comments with something a bit more edifying and believable than, “no, no, you misunderstood me, but I’m not going to explain what it was I did mean.”
People think you’re unrepentant and blowing smoke up our asses because you posted all this nasty shit, then claim that it wasn’t what you meant, but won’t even attempt to tell us what you were trying to get at. Since there are no clarifications and explanations forthcoming, we’re left to conclude that your posts mean exactly what they say. And what those posts say is that you’re a bigot trying to weasel his way out of being called a bigot. Okay, so you’re a lousy writer. You could at least give it a shot. Answer some of the questions people have asked about your posts to the best of your ability. We’ll ask more questions, allowing you to clarify further. Eventually, we’ll all understand what it is you’re trying to say. If, that is, what you originally posted wasn’t really what you were trying to say.
So clearly all the time and effort I put into my reply post was wasted. God, that pisses me off. I even went back and rewrote it to avoid becoming shrill. Clearly, the recipient was not worth the effort.
SHAKES, you want to not be a bigot? The first step is to renounce, publicly and immediately, all statements regarding homosexuality being a disease, gays being sick, homosexuality being something that needs to be cured, etc. Until you retract and rebuke those totally hateful comments, everyone here is right to think you a bigot.
Yeah, see, this kind of thing is why I’m not exactly ready to get out my party hat. In lieu of a long, thoughtful post (which I might write later, when I’m not at work) - what’s with all the “gay community” and “gay agenda” bullshit? Do you really believe there’s some organized effort to “glorify” the “gay lifestyle”? Listen, kid, the Jerry Falwell crowd is a bunch of lying, money-grubbing assholes and this shit is every bit as false as “planting your thousand dollar seed of faith”.
There’s no “gay community” or “gay agenda” or “gay lifestyle” that’s uniformly campaigning for public parties in our honor. If you can’t see a big ol’ difference between “singing their name in praise” and just not calling us “diseased”, then fine. You’re a moron. Frankly, I’d rather believe you’re a bigot, because at least I’ve seen people change that, while I’ve never seen anyone cast off the shackles of imbecility.
Now quit with the paranoid delusions about some organized gay conspiracy. We’re conspiring to be allowed to live where we want (housing discrimination is still legal where I am), work where we want (ditto for jobs), love who we want, and throw open our homes to kids who need parents. If you don’t like that, then yeah, that makes you a bigot.
So as far as I can tell you think heterosexual love is superior to gay love (despite being divorced); you think that adoptive parents can’t love their kids as much as biological ones (and you cite the fact that you’d freely sacrifice your stepkid’s life to save your kid’s - it’s the fact that you come across so fucking blasé about it that gives me the creeps); and you offer the possibility of “fixing” us to make us more like you. Then you say you’re ok with gay marriage.
Ok, so we’re diseased, and incapable of love for each other or our children, but you’re no longer in favor of legalized discrimination. Again - to quote Chris Rock, what do you want, a cookie? This ain’t much of a step forward, and frankly, I’m not going to pretend it is because I need to set a good example as a nice happy queer to avoid pissing off the bigots.
I don’t need to hold myself to a higher standard than everyone else. Queer people do not have some obligation to be obsequious. “Be nice, and behave yourselves, and if you’re really good, maybe we’ll let you have some basic civil rights” is completely unacceptable.
(sigh)
Spectrum, can I meet you halfway here? Ok I’ll retract homosexuallity as a disease or as being sick OR as being something that needs to be cured. I mean hey, if you’re happy being gay; then I’m happy FOR you. Really, I’m not being sarcastic here.
But still, I personally believe that something goes wrong with a persons brain chemistry/ brain wiring or whatever you want to call it when they are born gay. And no, I don’t have any scientific data to back up my beliefs; it’s just my own hypothosis.
Now if some one wants to SHOW me or give links to, that gay is indeed what nature intended or that there is some sort of biological purpose towards being gay; then I’ll eat crow and shut the fuck up.
HALLELUJAH!
I think this is the most brilliant, true, and HONEST thing I have read in ages.
While Excalibre might not agree with how I express my thoughts or the thoughts I express, I agree fully with what he has said and do comport myself with that in mind.
I represent ME, not the gay community as a whole. I do not speak a party line, I am not politically correct, and I’m not going to weasel word around what I want to say.
Quite a few gay posters on here will reprimand people like me and spectrum as if we were the long since banned Kirkland who was an anti Christian self hating gay man who took glee in the suffering and pain of Christians. Yes, yes… I did a metaphoric dance on Strom Thurmond’s grave which I STILL REFUSE TO APOLOGIZE FOR. There’s a big difference between being happy that a virulent hypocritical bigot is dead and advocating the death and suffering of people who are alive for disagreeing with you or for working to discriminate. It is in the latter that one is diminished and becomes less than human which we have seen in the sublimity that is Fred Phelps.
There is compromise to achieve goals and then there is assimilationst conformity which doesn’t create equality but homogenized drones wth no character, no indviduality, and no passion.
Maybe they’ll have this in a library, but maybe not, since it is a textbook:
Psychology: An Introduction Eleventh Edition by Charles L. Morris and Albert A. Maisto, page 363
Sounds like it’s a pretty natural thing to me, as it is not restricted to humans. This should be enough to realize that being gay is not something that people decide to be, since I doubt male geese decide they’d rather be with other male geese. As for an illness to be cured, are about 50% of pygmy chimpanzees sick then? That’s a metric shitload of sick chimps.
I would prefer the latter over the former.
In the beginning of your post you claim to retract your ‘idea’ that homosexuality is a diseased, then you follow it up with half baked ideas with no substantiation claiming it is a birth defect. We are not here to do your research for you. Get off your lazy ass and google up some of the countless UNBIASED research websites.
To say you are intellectually lazy is like saying our current President is a bit smarmy.
I’ll get this one.The naturalness of homosexuality.
"LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Sexual identity is wired into the genes, which discounts the concept that homosexuality and transgender sexuality are a choice,
“Our findings may help answer an important question – why do we feel male or female?” Dr. Eric Vilain, a genetics professor at the University of California, Los Angeles School of Medicine, said in a statement. “Sexual identity is rooted in every person’s biology before birth and springs from a variation in our individual genome.” His team has identified 54 genes in mice that may explain why male and female brains look and function differently.
Since the 1970s, scientists have believed that estrogen and testosterone were wholly responsible for sexually organizing the brain. Recent evidence, however, indicates that hormones cannot explain everything about the sexual differences between male and female brains."
On the off-chance that you mean that, here is a link to the logical fallacy you’re using. You are hypostatizing. You are assigning to nature qualities it does not have. Nature does not intend anything. There is no biological purpose to anything. I just told you this. I’ll repeat it: “A man is born with his brain. His brain produces chemicals via electrical synaptic discharges. These chemicals stir up within him a sexual attraction. What could possibly be more natural?” Be a man, and change your mind.