Spiderman 2 -{spoilers}-

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I doubt even Sam Raimi can pull the clone mess out of the hole it belongs in. I recently picked up a new spider man comic and the issue of Gwen Stacy’s death is brought up. Strangely they don’t mention the clones :dubious:

I was thinking about the Black Cat at work today (my job is that stimulating :o ) and I like her for a movie. She was the one girl that Peter could really share his Spider Man lifestyle with. In the end it turned out that she was really more interested in her “spider” than Peter, but for the movies it could really make a mess of things.

Another possible villain: Spider slayers or the Scorpion. Both were created via technology specifically to destroy Spider Man. Harry Osborne could do it. He has the technology. While not great main villains they would be fine complementary baddies.

Just a thought.

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I always liked the Enforcers. Fancy Dan was the man.

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Ne’er mind. According to the IMDB it’s gonna be the lizard with a side o’ Green Goblin (take that ya hobgoblin lovers).

Just scroll down till ya see Bruce Campbells name. It’s about halfway down.

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In the version I saw, it was a large, older, black man.
Or did he work at the newspaper…?

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The actor who plays Robbie Robertson in both movies, looked so familiar to me. I knew I’d seen him before, but couldn’t place him.

I finally IMDBed him tonight, and now I know: He was Radio Raheem in Do The Right Thing!

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Finally saw Spider-Man 2 tonight, and absolutely loved it. Most of the points have been touched on already, so I’ll just throw out a few bits:

  1. Next movie has to pivot around a major showdown between Peter/Spidey and Harry. Harry isn’t one to let bygones be bygones, and now Harry knows Spidey’s identity, and Peter knows he knows. Since Harry isn’t going to be buddy-buddy with Peter again or let him off the hook, I expect to see him do MAJOR damage to Peter through Aunt May, Mary Jane, and all the other folks in Harry and Peter’s social circle. I envision Harry as the Hobgoblin, but with a costume that doesn’t suck.

  2. Molina has absolutely nailed Doctor Octopus. Doc used to be an egotistical and slightly goofy spider-villian for me, but after this film, he’s a Grade-A Top Tier Bad Mutha You Don’t Want To Mess With™. Throw in his shred of self-sacrificing humanity, and you’ve got the best villian to ever grace a superhero movie.

  3. Was I the only person thrown by the horror level of this movie? I was expecting something comparable to the first Spider-flick in terms of violence, but that hospital room scene really creeped me out. Damn effective, too – for the rest of the film, I couldn’t hear Doc’s arms a-thumpin’ down the street without going :eek:

Damn fine movie. Though I’ll need a bit of time before I can get the nerve to see it again…

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Stan Lee is making quite a career out of saing children from falling debris. In fact, he is getting such good face time, that I thnk he’ll be a behind the scenes villian.

You heard it here first. Stan Lee will send wave after wave of super-villian after Spider-man, just so he can be on screen more saving more little children and puppies from falling debris.

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Ha! That will teach me to contradict others. What was actually said was:

(bolding mine.) In my version cake girl was indeed blond…

My apologies **Ukulele Ike **

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Loved the movie, thought it caught the feel of Spidey very well. I was a big fan of the comic when I was a kid. Really worth seeing in a theater.

Me too. Broke me up a little, actually. One of several moments in the film that got me. My SO, not Spidey-savvy, has taken to saying “Go get 'em, Tiger” to me as a goof. Umm, I like it. A lot.

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As was the “chocolate” cake she served Peter.
– tracer, reopening that can of worms again

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Gummy worms!?

YUM!

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And he’ll send them while sitting in a high backed, black leather chair stroking a Persian cat.

“Go forth my minions! Green Goblins, Hobgoblins, Carrions, Kravens, Prowlers, Tarantulas, Roses and Eels!”

Man, that’d be a lot of villians…

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I similarly lack savvy. What was the significance of MJ’s comment?

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OK I saw it twice this weekend. The guy in the back ground is not Stan Lee. Lee only shows up to save the girl.

First time I saw it I thought it was Stan behind Peter but the second time I looked for the scene and I noticed it wasn’t. Now I could be mistaken but I’ll wait for the freeze frame on the DVD to confirm it.

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In her intro in Amazing Spider-Man 42 - The Birth of a Super-Hero, the first thing she says to Peter is “Face it, Tiger, you just hit the jackpot.”

Here’s the panel.

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There was one line showing the banter Spider-man throws around in his fights - during the fight in the bank he throws a bag of coins back at Ock and says “Here’s your change.”

Another point from much earlier in the thread, why he took off his mask while he was trying to stop the train - right after Ock takes off Spidey looks into the control room of the train to see what’s going on and a panel explodes in his face, and causes some sort of discomfort for him.

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I recently read the first few Spidey comics, and it’s set up pretty well. Aunt May is trying to get Peter to meet Mary Jane, and he’s avoiding/dodging the meeting (for several issues!), because the girl your Mom (or Aunt) wants you meet is never hot, is she? But of course she turns out to be a stone fox.

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The movie opened a week later here in Europe, and I only got around to see it yesterday. I can firmly state that this movie gets filed right into the exclusive lot of sequels better than originals. I never read Spider-Man as a kid, mostly, I think, because it wasn’t sold here until I was in my 20’s and my fascination with comics was long gone. So I can only judge it as a movie. Seeing that there are a lot of fanboys and girls here, maybe my thoughts are not valid, but there are som incoinsistncies that bugged me:

  1. “Has played football on the moon”. Having an astronaut, a real All American Hero as compettition for the girl of your dreams seems so 60-ish. And had Jameson JR- been pålaying football on the moon, he’d be pushing 60 in 2004. If it’s important that he is an astronaut, why not make a reference to Mir, the ISS or simply the Shuttle?
  2. MJ running off to get married with the first handsome boy that comes along, when she’s only 20 also smells a lot like 60’s to me. I’m 43, but even when I was in my early 20’s, no one got married that young. There are exceptions of course, but it just feels wrong.

Now, for the good stuff.

  • I’m so happy to see Al Molina finally playing something other than a latino actor. And I enjoyed his performance a lot. I hope this means that he’ll finally gets out from playing Mexican bandits.
  • I very much enjoyed the long middle where PP as trying to get rid of SM. It’s tough being a hero, and many times it hurts. I know, from reading this thread, that the theme was in one of the comics, but it’s a mature theme for something that’s initially marketed for 12 year old boys.
  • Michael Chabon, pulitzer winner for his novel “The amazing adventures of Kavalier and Clay” was involved in part of the story. Having read that book, I get a feeling that it shows. There’s more depth to this movie.
  • A large part of the first film was explaining the back story and transforming Peter Parker. With that out of the way, this movie could cut to the chase.
  • There’s good chewing of the scenery and bad. J.K. Simmons does it good, Willem Dafoe did it amazingly bad in SM1.
  • I like the blend of drama, tragedy, comedy, irony and action, for the same reason I love tv-shows by Joss Wheadon, so I think it was a great ride.

A few thoughts about previous posts. Whenever a female in Hollywood shows up remarkably thinner, with a new nose job, collagen lipped or botox’d, there is a cry of eeewwww here on the boards. But that Ms Dunst hasn’t capped her teeth to conform to the plastic ídeals of Hollywood starlets draws snarky comments. She’s a remarkably good loooking woman in her own right. She looks like a real, good looking woman, the kind you meet at an office and ask out for a cup of coffee, she doesn’t look like a movie star. That she, so far, hasn’t tried to alter her natural looks is very brave, IMO, and makes her even more attractive.
Cake girl was not the only one showing interest in Peter. During the raindrops montage, two girls walking down the street caught his eye and I think it was just part of him getting to feel attractive in his own right, basically having been a geek in HS. This was expanded with cake girl making it a contrast for him, not us. She’s not a plot device setting up something strange in the future, she was just a girl who gave Peter Parker one more clue to what he really is.

Super Hero score: 10/10
Summer Blockbuster score 9/10
Movie score: 6/10.

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My beloved wife and I just saw it last night. It was fantastic!!! I’ve been waiting for good Marvel superhero movies most of my life. Spider-Man and Daredevil are my two favorites – especially with all the personal drama going on in their lives. This one was one of the best yet, mainly because of the great villain and because of the personal stuff. Lots of smooching, though.

Kirsten Dunst has surprised me in the MJ role. She’s wonderful! She’s also quite lovely, just the way she is, so here’s hoping she doesn’t “fix” her teeth up. I admit that MJ always seemed more glamourous to me – more Veronica than Betty – but Ms. Dunst has convinced me that she’s the one to play the part. She conveys just the right mix of beauty, vulnerability and patience needed for Peter’s love interest.

The cake-girl, Ursula (Mageina Tovah), will hopefully not turn into some stupid villain. Maybe she’ll be the Black Cat!!! Just dye that hair chocolate – er, I mean white. Or maybe she’ll just be competition for MJ, who is jealous of Ursula’s stickyness.

I used to hate Doc Ock, realizing that he was just a pudgy middle-aged guy who couldn’t withstand one punch from Spidey, which he inevitable got in any fight. I never understood why the writers would treat him as such a bad-ass. But Alfred Molina et al made him into a GREAT bad guy! He cheated, too, by endangering innocents.

I hope that Venom never shows up in the franchise. I seriously dislike Venom. But the Lizard could work, as could more Green Goblin, some Kingpin, and some guest appearances from other Marvel heroes and villains. I made the comment to my wife that I wondered where the hell was Daredevil? The Avengers? The X-Men? Luke Cage? The Fantastic Four? The Punisher? Iron Man? (She looked at me with wonder, contemplating that she married a (former) comic-book geek. It’s okay, I’ve discovered books without pictures now.) I guess those guys were afraid of copyright violation, just like has been mentioned.

Um, let’s see. More villains? Vulture, Sandman, Dr. Doom, Sin-Eater, not Morbius (too many vampire movies already), Chameleon, Scorpion, not Man-Wolf, etc. It has been a long time since I’ve read any of the comics… Can someone come up with more Spidey-villains?

I’d like to see some more wisecracks, like “tickets, please” during the train fight, or “Peter. Mask.” when Octavius decided to save the day. The elevator scene was priceless. :slight_smile:

My favorite scene: Spider-Man saving the train, fainting from exertion, and being gently caught and supported by the people of NY. I get goose bumps thinking about them moving him to the back of the car on their raised arms.

Another favorite: JJJ realizing/believing “I drove him away…”

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I don’t think Jameson Jr. went to the moon on the Apollo missions: the implication I got was that, in the world of the Spiderman movies, we didn’t stop going to the moon in the '60s, and have been sending rockets up there regularly ever since.

And what was up with that, anyway? How many banks in the 21st century have sacks and sacks of gold coins lying around? I guess in this alternate comic universe, the Sacagewea dollar coin was a bigger success, too.