Well aren’t you sweet? If you’d do me a huge favor and use your mouse (you know, the white thing on a cord that’s attached to your computer) and scroll up to the opening thread that was started by Exprix. If you can possibly summon up enough intelligence to read this, then you’ll notice that it isn’t mentioned what religion the shelter is run by. But what it did say is that they were of Judeo Christian beliefs. Now correct me if I’m wrong, but I do believe that all CHRISTIANS are supposed to follow the Bible’s teachings. Who’s the dumb ass now?
Esprix,
I spent a few months around here earlier this year, but never made it back. Forgot my username, too (hehe).
Anyway, I just wanted to say that I enjoy your posts. You always have some good things to say and solid points to make. I appreciate your presence.
Cheering Jim Kolbe on,
The Spiney Pro-Gay Christian
(Uh oh, this thread is getting a little tense. I’d better see if I can keep it from getting moved out of IMHO.)
So! Just how much damage WOULD a light saber do in D&D?
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The name of the shelter is Gospel Rescue Mission …Catholic churches don’t run social services with names like that…and I wouldn’t assume affiliation with ANY particular denomination (like Baptist, Methodist etc…) unless I was sure.
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You said " I guess that whole passage in those Catholic people’s Bibles"
…It sure the hell sounds like you are referring to “Catholic people” in that statement.
- If you meant that all Christians should follow basic Christian teachings…then fine, I have little problem with that. When you ascribe a certain denomination to the equation (like you did), then I have I DO have a problem, when the particular denomination was not even involved in this particular episode…
So, rather than make ad hominum attacks about my computer literacy, review what YOU said in your post…You said “those Catholic people”…that was an ill advised (and incorrect) assumption about the faith of the people running that mission
note to mods and others…I realize that the tone and word use of my reply posts perhaps is more pit worthy than IMHO…mea culpa… While I stand by my posted opinion, I apologize for the tone …I know others wanted to keep this thread out of the pit, I’ll try to do the same
Well, well, well…you just won’t let this topic die, will ya? Okay, so I showed bad judgement by typing “Catholic” instead of “Christian”. I was only trying to illustrate the fact that a Gospel mission should probably practice what they preach about loving everyone regardless of their beliefs, or in this case, sexual orientation. This is ALL I meant by my comments. I wasn’t trying to denounce anyone’s particular beliefs. So, it wasn’t necessary for you to try to pick a fight with me by calling me names or illustrating your opinions in extremely large print. So, before this topic ends up in the Pit, I’d like to call this thread hijack off. So, returning to the ORIGINAL topic: A gay Congress member is no longer invited to volunteer at a homeless shelter because of his sexual preference. What do you think about this?
Sorry about the large print, I don’t know how that happened. Maybe Beagledave also had this problem,so I apologize for my preceeding comment on this subject. Anyway, back to the original topic.
There are many people here who post on one subject more than on others. Some post on their personal relationships, some on Constitutional issues, some on political issues, etc.
Esprix posts on many issues not related to his sexual orientation, but I can see why he might specialize on this one subject. What I can not see is why this would bother some people. I don’t believe I’ve seen a thread calling Ex-Tank a “one trick pony” because he posts mostly on threads about armaments and the 2nd Amendment. I can point out at least 20 posters who specialize in talking about their love lifes(but I won’t, both for their sake, and ours ).
Esprix, though I don’t fault you for the direction this thread is going, I think I’m going to move it to Great Debates.
I just read the article cited in the OP. I’d like to put a different spin on it.
We’re talking about a Gospel Rescue Mission. I’d like to think that these volunteers rate higher than a hate group, and do posess worthy motives. Maybe they’re even good people.
I’d like to think that Kolbe’s classy reply served to truly show these people that they’d made a mistake. I would like to think that the reason for Kolbe’s classy reply was that we weighed the the good work of the mission against the indecent snubbing he’d received, and decided it was best not to seek public retribution against an organization that was legitimately helping people over this kind of stupidity.
I’d like to think it showed the very best out of all involved.
Excellent article Pony Boy. Thanks.
I’d also like to think that the apology was sincere.
It may also be necessary to point out that Arizona is a Conservative Republican stronghold. Kolbe himself is a Republican in that tradition as well I believe.
I mention this merely to suggest that Conservatism/Republicanism isn’t synonymous with homophobic/intolerant.
I’d say about 3d12, plus 1d8 extra for latent burn damage, you %#%^#@@.
Wanna join us in The Pit? :rolleyes:
So mote it be written, so mote it be done - thanks.
Thanks for the input, too, Scylla.
Esprix
i personally think it’s sad that a christian mission would have to cave in to public pressure and abandon what is right to avoid bad publicity. i could see how they might believe that their work is more important than their principles (i hear other chrisitans make that argument sometimes) but i think it’s the wrong attitude to take. you should do what is right regardless of what other people think.
bruce
Ah, the latest SDMB addition - Righteous. Methinks the name says it all.
Oddly, though, in this case, this was part of the question I was asking - did they really believe they made an error in jugement by asking him not to come (which is my personal belief), or do they still think he’s a-goin’ ta Hell but recanted in the face of public opinion? Did they have a change of heart, or did they just say they did?
So, Righteous, do you think they’re just covering their butts in the face of the public, or do you think they really had a change of heart?
Esprix
But sin is sin and we all sin. If they don’t allow sinners to volunteer, then who will feed the homeless?
Righteous posted:
I completely agree. Why let homophobic people tell you that a public servant cannot volunteer at your outreach place to help the needy, just because they are offended by his personal life? If I were the good people who apologized to Congressman Kolbe (whom I thought showed the most Christian attitude I’ve heard from a Congressman in years), I’d ask him to please let the offensive remarks go by the way and come help.
“You should do what is right regardless of what other people think.”
I’m confused. One of the goals of the gay movement is to change minds and to reshape our society into a tolerant/accepting one. We educate, march, protest, and debate all in the hopes that well change some minds. Now we’re angry at a homeless shelter for doing that?
Personally, I think it takes a lot more courage to publically apologize and admit a mistake than to stick by a backward idea.
Righteous, Do you recall the part of the bible where Jesus save a prostitute from being stoned by a self-righteous crowd? Shunning and stoning are not that different, in my opinion. If you truly believe that all men sin and that all sin is equal, then you should also believe that shunning someone because of their sin is not a Christian attitude.
I don’t see the Boy Scouts in a difficult position at all. Support for them is still strong in many areas and they seem to be winning as many battles as they are lose.
The Snub, then the Public Outcry, THEN the Apology.
To turn someone away from a house of GOD (even if it IS only a mission) is pretty strong business. I don’t think an apology is really even appropriate. If a minister or Priest called me a Jigaboo in the middle of a sermon, and told me to get out. I truly doubt that I would want to hear ANYTHING from him in the near future, especially an “apology” that came after the population put a little heat on him.
If he really meant it, I’m sure there are other more MEANINGFUL things that he could do for the Senator to show his good intend.
Anyway
You’re right. They should burn the mission to the ground, and then all the mission workers should go outside and commit ritual suicide for their sins.
Would that be satisfactory?
I still say the way Kolbe handled the situation is a credit to Conservative Republicans everywhere.