Question–has town tested any known werewolves?
Just me.
And what did your colors come up as?
Yellow and Purple, same as my high school colors. Maybe that’s the key to the testerizer?
MHaye’s analysis is interesting…except he left out one factor.
There was a high chance (fulfilled, incidentally), that the town would lynch an otherwise townie player in an effort to figure out the Testerizer, or under a mistaken interpretation of the Testerizer.
Are you sure they’ve figured out the Testerizer, though?
How many of them are left now–anyone know?
Well, that sucks. Although I’m still hopeful for my town, and my rancher brethren.
I think I’m missing something–why was killing rex an odd choice for wolves?
Yeah, I wasn’t all that surprised myself. It seemed (even w/o being testerized) that everyone accepted, with good reason, that I was town.
If I’m following correctly,
There are two living players who have been tested and according to the prevailing theory, tested “town”.
Wolves know for sure whether or not these players are indeed town.
Case One: Both tested players are truly Town
Wolves would then be in a position to know that the testerizer theory is most likely correct as 5 of 5 tested match the proposed theory. At this point, they would know that they MUST kill a tested townie in order to have any chance at winning. Failure to kill tested Town will give the game to the Town as the testerizer will each day either finger a wolf or create another Confirmed Town.
Case Two: Both tested players are really Wolves
In this case Wolves could not kill either of the tested players, and the death of rexnervous is rather trivial. The important facet is that the prevailing Testerizer Theory is wrong, and the Wolves know that it is wrong.
Case Three: One is a Wolf and one is Town
Again, the Wolves would be in a position to know that the Testerizer Theory is incorrect. Killing the tested Town player would not prove the Theory wrong. However, in the event that the theory is proven to be incorrect, the dead tested player would serve as an additional data point for learning the correct pattern.
So which case is it?
Case One is the only case where the Testerizer Theory remains correct, yet the Wolves actions are remarkably inconsistent with this case because leaving two confirmed Town alive is a wacky move. I suppose the natural inclination would be to think “Oh, well the wolves want the Town to second-guess and lynch one of the confirmed Townies.” But this reaction doesn’t make sense either, since if the goal of the wolves was to kill off a confirmed Town, they could have just done so themselves. (I reject the possibility of a Doc here for various reasons).
I have a hard time believing that the Wolves, faced with a correct Testerizer Theory would not kill one of the “confirmed Town”
Therefore at least one of Mahloth and Telcontar are Wolves.
I think both are.
Does anyone have a summary of the Testerizer Data?
On preview: Why was rexnervous considered Town?
not a lot of talk in the game lately. Is that how most Mafia games end, or is this one somewhat unique because of the Testerizer (it seems to be dominating the decision-making)
Things getting quiet is normal. Part of it is that the most talkative players tend to get killed. Part of it is that with fewer players, one would expect things to get quieter in general (If each player averages one post per other player remaining in the game–they start with 20 and end with 4 give or take slightly).
And part of it, in general, is that power roles and things like the Testerizer often do dominate the decision making. I’ve seen several rants on why this shouldn’t be true–but I think it’s kind of an inevitable part of human nature.
Whether he’s a wolf or not, and whether or not they do have the Testerizer figured out, they think they do, and Jimmy’s colors just guaranteed a lynch.
See ya in here, Jimmy!
Yep! I wonder if they’ll maybe speed up the days? It’s pretty obvious most are going to be voting for Jimmy…I doubt too much debate will be happening. Also, gotta admit, I’m super curious to know if they solved the Testerizer.
Jimmy, when you get in here, there’s a drink with your name on it!
I’m not going to speed up the days. I actually like the slow winding down of discussion, and I don’t see why it would be a problem.
This is fairly interesting. Jimmy is playing it very cool if he is a wolf. And if the testerizer guess is wrong, now that would make for a very interesting final day or two.
One thing to keep in mind - this is not a Town v. Wolf game, and I wonder if that is playing a role at all here. The wolves still hold the power (in some sense) if they can get the ranchers to fight against the farmers (but that would probably be a fairly obvious tell). Moreso, I wonder if the two remaining farmers are thinking end-game yet.
I hope Jimmy is a wolf. If not, then my faction (town rancher) will have been decimated lately. I was so sure we were going to win.
I’d put my money on the alphabetical testerizer theory being wrong and at least one of Mahaloth and Telcontar are Wolves. That of course says nothing about Jimmy.
The problem is, the Town has insufficient data about the Testerizer. The theory that Jimmy poses at this point is just as plausible as the alphabet theory, yet no one will even give it a second thought. The town only has ONE wolf data point. Killing Elendil’s Heir before testing him was probably a big mistake.
I’ll also posit that the NUMBER of letters in each test might also hold the secret, which at this point would also point to Mahaloth being a Wolf too. But they can’t know at this point. I’ve been thinking that M and T are wolves anyway, so I kind of want the testerizer theory to be wrong. Plus the fact that the wolves didn’t kill one of the supposed “confirmed Town” makes no sense if the two “confirmed Town” really are Town. Therefore one of them is likely a wolf and the alphabetical theory is incorrect.
I haven’t read the actually game in a while, but still gonna take a stab at the Testerizer. I expect it is actually about the colors, not numbers of letter or alphabetic, etc.
The closest match I found is the CYMK-model. And it only makes difference between Wolf or not. You only get the base colors when you’re are wolf.
So Jimmy Chitwood will turn up town (both blue and black are mixes)
while Mahaloth is Werewolf (Ceruluan is not quite Cyan, but close enough, and Fuschia is magenta (at least according to one site)).
Though the fancy color names might mean I’m completely wrong :D.
I would prefer the testerizer to be color-based as well, as that makes for a better system than using colors when one really meant to use words. (Why not use words in the first place!).
I don’t pretend to understand Natlaw’s color theory though, but it sounds the most plausible. I like it much better than the alphabet method.
ETA: On second thought, I don’t think CYMK does it. Purple isn’t one of the bases, and K stands for Black which is.
Yeah, that is the fancy name problem, that is why I linked to the picture. I categorized all purplish colors under magenta, yellowish under yellow and light bluish on cyan. Black is the mixed of all three (inks on a paper, though it practice black ink is used for that).
My other thought was RGB with primary/secondary colors:
To get wolf Justin’s Yellow/Purple you need all of red, green and blue.
But again I’m fudging with the colors, especially if I look at the actual RGB values used by the computer (but that is not monochromatic RGB).
Surprisingly, I get again the same result, though not sure cerulean (dark blueish) would use green.
(Note: just copying terms from wikipedia here :P)