Spread Your Legs, Babe

Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
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I’m not sure too many people are arguing it was an appropriate thing to do, SanibelMan. But what I sought to correct from your earlier post was that it was an illegal thing to do.

It would be nice if, instead of a dismissive, “Whatever. No laws broken, fine,” comment, you’d acknowledge that you said it was illegal, and that was wrong. Instead, your post above shifts the characterization of your earlier post from “It’s illegal,” to “It’s inappropriate,” and then expresses sarcastic amazement that anyone who might disagree.

As I say, I don’t think there are too many people who would defend the actions described as “appropriate.”

Boorishness is, however, not a crime.

  • Rick
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I’ve got a quite a bit to say and Venoma’s quote here gives me a good start. First of all, Ven: you got it exactly right about the part how the girl was dressing inappropriately. The point people is, the girl was dressing like a hooch to begin with. If she would have been wearing clothes that were actually decent. there WOULD be no skirt to look up in the first place. Does this mean the girl deserved to have to have a 40 some year old guy look up her skirt? No. not at all. Does this mean she had it comming? YOU BET. And no, they do not mean the same thing either. she did not DESERVE to be taken advantage of (and thats what looking up a girls skirt is doing), but she made the wrong decisions, and as a result, she opened up the options to be taken advantage of. Both parties were wrong as Venoma said.

Second of all, what Danalan did was sick for anybody of any age. If a guy in his 20’s did it, it would still be wrong, but thats just an insult when a 40 year old guy does it. thats a 25 year difference people. I’m 17 myself…I know if I was in a pickup with a 45 year old woman who was wearing a miniskirt…ugh. you get the picture. Not that I have anything against 45 year old women…its just the age difference that I’m talking about.

I fully agree with what Arnold Winkelried said about letting the girl sit next to the door. There is a matter of respect all men should give women no matter how attractive they might be. What I’m saying is, if the girl was wearing a wet t-shirt and a transparent skirt…YOU SHOULD NOT BE LOOKING AT HER ANYWAYS. I’m not even talking about age either. Just because she would be stupid enough to wear it, that does not give anyone the right to look. The fact that she was 16 reenforces this point even more. You can still think a girl is attractive without trying to sneak a peak for more.

I also want to address the fact that people claim that it is “natural” to be attracted to a girl. Yes. that is very true. but it is not “natural” to look up a girls skirt no matter how stupid she is to get herself into that possition. Isnt arsnic also natural? How would you like to get a big wiff of that stuff…its natural aint it? Just because somebody has a desire to do something does not automaticly give them leeway to do what they please, even if they are trying to be “descreet” about it. Venoma mentioned that it was a “involuntary act” that Danalan did and I have to humbly dissagree. If this 16 year old girl had a unusual negative charge in her crotch and Danalan’s eyeballs had some sort of a positive charge…then yes. maybe it was an “involuntary act”. But last I checked, panties and eyeballs do not give off any magnetic fields. In other words, it was Danalan’s job to be a gentleman in that situation and keep his eyes on the road (if he was going to be so stubborn as to not let the girl have the door seat.).

What does make me mad though was the fact that Danalan and his buddy had the NERVE to laugh about it when it got out in the open though. Like I said before: Just cause a girl is a hooch doesnt mean she deserves to be taken advantage of! That is just being downright rude when you laugh it off when this girl is mortified. She might have had it comming, but that does not mean anyone had a right to laugh about it.

Seriously…“natural” or “involuntary” or not, this is still totally and completely sick.

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What a bunch of judgmental responses.

I acknowledge that catching a look at the girl’s panties is not something Miss Manners would greet with approbation, in fact, it’s quite a bit worse than that, since they looked twice, but it sounds like they were hard to miss, too.

Some potentially mitigating factors to consider before Danalan gets sentenced for his crimes agains humanity:

At 16, she certainly knew when she got dressed that her skirt was very short and that she would be liable to draw attention to herself. Doesn’t make it ok to look or anything else, but makes me question her judgment and perhaps even her motives.

She may even have chosen the panties because she knew that she would likely be exposed and thought it was funny or liked the idea of getting the attention, or–God forbid–liked being a tease.

Asking for a cherry sucker raises some questions, too. She is old enough to know that her request would seem to be suggestive to many men. (NOT that it would be ok for them to conclude that she wanted to be looked at, but it does make me quite skeptical about her putative naivete.)

And commenting on the message on the panties? She already seemed to be aware that they had ‘peeked’, so laughing about what the panties actually said might even have served to diminish her discomfort (if she felt any), because his comment takes attention away from what’s UNDER the panties and shifts it to what they say. His laughter might have made her uncomfortable, or it could have served to lighten the situation–a loud guffaw may be obnoxious, but it’s hardly threatening. Sometimes laughing helps to diminish the tension, so that they all might have then felt free to acknowledge the potential discomfort of the situation but not to take it too seriously.

And the point of this story, it seemed to me, was entertainment. Tacky, yes; objectifying of women, unfortunately, yes; but I’m betting the OP has deviated (in the direction of Penthouse) somewhat from the actual circumstances, following Twain’s (or somebody’s) edict, never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Would so many people still be offended if they were reading this as fiction?

Although most men wouldn’t have chosen to let her know in a way that would increase her discomfort, most men WOULD have looked–they just would have hidden their actions better.

This isn’t a tragedy: it’s a farce.

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My opinion is: Girls that dress like that are just trying to get attention. They don’t care if it’s negative or positive attention, but that’s what they want. Then they think that every guy that looks at them is a sex-crazed pig, but they can’t realize that the way they dress affects how people see them.

Say there are 2 equally attractive girls: One is wearing jeans and a t-shirt, the other is wearing a haltertop and a mini-skirt. Who’s gonna get looked at? Take a guess.
By the way, I am in high school and it disgusts me the way some of the girls in my school dress and act.

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Thanks for sharing.

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Can someone move this to the pit in order that I can better express my opinion of the op?

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A 16 year old girl in a short skirt is putting herself in an awkward position? She’s asking for attention? And this from a couple of high school kids, blink178 and That Guy With Pants?

Guys, honestly. Think for a second. A girl wearing a short skirt is probably trying to show off her nice legs, not her Hello Kitty undies. In this scenario, it was up to the two adults to avoid an embarassing situation. As pointed out by many, they easily could have. They didn’t, and added insult to injury by treating with no respect and compassion whatsoever when the inevitabe occured: au contraire, they took a second peek and commented on what they saw.

That girl may have put on that skirt that morning thinking the nice 17 year old boy from across the road might notice her shapely legs, but I seriously doubt she was expecting two drooling 40-somethings -that she was told she could trust- to look up her skirt. Twice. And then laugh about it.

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Estilicon, there’s a Pit thread already in progress. This one stays here, and it is to stay civil.

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Look, being looked at is not a predatory act. Rude, yes. Morally wrong, depends. Harmful? Not at all.

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The sad thing is - this all could have been avoided if they had just PUT THE BEER IN THE BACK WITH THE LUMBER! I own a truck, and when I have three in the front, I ALWAYS put any extra stuff in the back.

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I just thought I might check in with a guy’s point of view from the girl’s situation… (was that a run-on, or just really poorly written?)

anyhow… I’ve worn boxer shorts exclusively since I was a freshman in highschool (damn, that was a long time ago)… I’m also apt to warn loose shorts (being a hiker and climber, I own a few pairs of Gramicci shorts… if you don’t know what I’m talking about, find a pair, they just rock)… but I’m also a professional with a long commute, luckily every day is casual day here… so I wear my gramicci’s when I feel like it…

one day, while commuting home after a very long day, I slouched back, put my foot up on the seat across from me, and tried to take a nap… after a few minutes, the woman sitting across from me (ie, right next to my foot) did the little half cough “excuse me, sir?”… so I open my eyes and ask something to the effect of “oh, is my stop coming up?” (I had been half sleeping, and what felt like a few minutes might have been half an hour)

she blushes a little and says “actually, no… but I can, ummm, see your, ummm, stuff” and nods downward… apparently little bobo had fallen out and wanted some fresh air… oops, hey it happens with loose shorts.

the first response to fall out of my evil little mouth, “maam, do you make a habit of looking up young men’s shorts?” Then she turned a color of red I didn’t think humans could manage… she couldn’t even choke out a response… so I followed up with “don’t worry, I’m just fucking with ya… thanks for the heads up… I wouldn’t want to offend anyone” and adjusted my shorts appropriately

then it got weird… her response, eventually was “oh, I wouldn’t say I was offended exactly <wink>”… so I flashed the wedding ring and that was the end of it…

I didn’t care… I didn’t really enjoy the situation, but accidents happen… people just need to lighten up when stuff like that happens… it all seems kind of junior high-ish… OOOOHHH, “I see london, I see france, I need to get a friggin life.” People that make a big deal out of crap like this are annoying and a bit too puritan for me… go to the beach sometime, and then rethink how revealing panties/briefs are

all that being said… the second look might have been bad form… but definately human nature… ofcourse, had that helen been my neice, you might still be in traction :wink:

one more point I think I should make… is it someone else’s fault if I wear clothes that show some of my body??? ofcourse not… I could have just as easily worn full length jeans… if someone notices part of my anatomy because of the clothes I chose to wear, well then, they noticed, 100% my fault. People that choose to show skin, and then get all offended if someone notices, need to rethink their wardrobe, or atleast rehink why they’re wearing revealing clothing… life is full of choices

once again, all that being said… if Helen had been my neice, I’d probably view it differently.

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Are you serious? I can dang well look at whatever I want, especially out in public. And as long as I’m not breaking the law, I can dang well do whatever I want. Sure, it may be inappropriate, but it’s well within my rights.

Personally, I would have been sorely tempted to sneak a peek, (believe me, when I’m watching those female teen-aged olympic gymnasts in their skimpy, high-cut outfits, I ain’t always looking at their routines) but being the nice guy I am, I would have quickly picked up the beer, put in on my lap, and told her to move her legs over. The second peek and the comments were going too far, but if you ask me, the guys weren’t being predatory or intimidating, and the girl seemed embarrassed and not scared in any way. I’m guessing he won’t go so far again if he’s ever in the same position.

Thanks for a good story, Danalan.

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What I find funny is all the knee-jerk responses here. Apparently some posters here think the only way to keep a teenage girl safe is to put her in a burkha till she’s 18 so perverts don’t stare at her.

I don’t think this is much different than I, back a few years ago being a minor, have some woman stare at my crotch because my fly is open, but too embrassed to say anything. I wasn’t degraded as a result of the ‘leering’ involved. It was my own damn fault for not noticing my zipper was down. Big deal.

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Or maybe she wore those clothes because it was warm out and she felt like wearing something that was cool. I wear tank tops and short skirts. I don’t look like a slut in them. She was having trouble sitting straight in the truck.

“Looks like a hooch.”

“Asking for it.”

“WANTS them to look at her panties.”

Um, rationalization, much?

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Oh, and another thing: when I was sixteen, the idea of a “cherry sucker” being suggestive would never have occurred to me. Hell, I didn’t even know what “Cherry Popping Daddies” meant until I was about, oh, 19 or 20?

Yes, I’m a little late to learn. Doesn’t matter. Maybe she had a sore throat. Who knows?

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While I don’t think Danalan is a pedophile due to this particular instance, another thought occurs to me that hasn’t been addressed much yet.
Yes, this girl was wearing a cute outfit that showed off her body. (When I was 16, so did I, much to my father’s consternation.)However, it doesn’t seem probable that she dressed like this with the specific intent of showing her panties by riding the gearshift in someone’s pickup.
Blaming her for the show is overboard. If she had on a short skirt and fell down a flight of steps, would people blame her for deliberately displaying her undies then?
Everyone’s perspective is different, of course, and she may have gone merrily on her way with nary a thought given to the silly old men who looked up her skirt. If it were me at that age, I wouldn’t have told a soul, but I would have remembered it forever, and it would have bothered me.

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This didn’t start with peeping at her panties. There are many ways for a person riding in the middle to avoid a gearshift.

The comment, that came first, “Spread your legs Babe” was an indication of what was coming. The jerk driving knew this was an inappropriate remark, and he set her up for future embarrassment/intimidation. Or maybe he was hoping to get a favorable response to his suggestive remark?

No, we don’t know the girl or anything about her. I think it’s safe to assume that the average 16 year old girl caught in this situatuion would be embarrassed and possibly terrified. The alleged adults should have avoided putting her in such a situation.

Let’s call a jerk a jerk when one reveals himself.

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I look back on my teenage years, and I am amazed at how totally friggin’ clueless we all were.

I think teenage girls (not all, but most) are like Luke Skywalker in The Empire Strikes Back. The force is strong with them. They dimly understand the force. They can use the force, to some extent. But they can’t control the force. They get over-confident and go rushing into situations, only too find out too late that they’re in way over their heads. And they end up getting hit with a light saber when they least expect it. (cue Vader-ish heavy breathing).

My stepfather (a real winner, let me tell ya) used to say [inbred bucktooth halfwit Bubba voice] “If’n there’s grass on the playin’ field, she’s old enough to play!” [/inbred bucktooth halfwit Bubba voice]. By this reasoning, he could have sex with a developmentally advanced 11 year old and not feel guilty. My feeling is that even though it’s almost impossible these days to find clothes for young girls that weren’t designed by Cherry Pop’s Happy Hooker House of Style, they’re still just children. The adults around them need to ACT like adults, and this includes not ogling their underwear, even if it’s covered in neon tubing and the girl in question is dangling upside down from a jungle gym. I used to have to put up with sickening remarks from the aforementioned husband-of-mother and his juvenile dimwitted friends, and I still get seriously oogied out by the thought.

So basically what we have here is a 16 year old girl who is probably still forming her first impressions of sex, attraction, and men, and you and your friend have given her a nice new shameful memory and image of “grown-up” male behavior to carry with her into adulthood. Congratulations.

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First person to use a light sabre joke gets it.

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Ah, c’mon Coldie… I see your schwartz is as big as mine…