Apparently they think that they have earned from the audience an emotional connection with Georgio and that we’ll care about what’s happening with her.
In a way - her story (overall) is kinda interesting - fish …errr… emperor out of water and all - but it (and the Mirror Universe stuff) is so overplayed and one dimensional its quite boring.
I kinda like the door guy - but really - how the fuck does that even work? and her ‘phasing’ in and out? zero sense in any shape or form.
And now, not only is Discovery the fastest ship in the fleet - its now, apparently, the smartest and not only has all of the sphere data - it has all of starfleets data - and even data from the timespan that neither of them existed in - and can instantly say that “to fix something we’ve nver seen before - go see a guy sitting at a door in the middle of a barren planet so you can have a chance to undo a mistake 1000 years ago that you really really regret - that shit’ll fix ya right up”.
Like I said - I give this and other ST shows alot of latitude - but this ones right off the edge right now.
My head cannon is that this is all Kirks dying delusion when bridge is dropped on him in Generations
And yet they’ve somehow managed to make the Mirror Universe boring. Where is the fun? The over the top silliness of previous Treks being there has just become evil people being evil but in the most bland and boring way possible.
Wow, that scene with the murder-ballet and cringy rhymes was just bizarre. Who thought that up?
And yeah, the Georgiou storyline just continues to be aggressively boring. The Terrans are so one-dimensionally evil that there’s just no way to suspend disbelief enough to think that this could actually be a full-fledged society.
Also not a fan of the deus ex sphere data. So are future episodes just going to be, sphere data says go here and do stuff? Is there any motivation for Pan Tau there to be interested in Georgiou’s fate? If he wanted to help, why was he just hanging out with a magic door in the middle of nowhere?
Also, it seems that Saru’s direct disobedience of an order essentially leading to war with the Orions isn’t going to have any recriminations at all. I mean, really, the idea that it wasn’t a Star Fleet ship attacking the Orions was completely bogus from the beginning—what did they expect the Orion leader to do, go, well, this isn’t technically your ship, so I guess the Federation never attacked me, well played?
The story was that an officer went ‘rogue’ and ‘stole’ the ship from the hanger bay. Since the officer is still an officer, seems the ‘bad girl smack the wrist’ was sufficient. (Agree tho that it was BS from the start and should cost Saru the ship - do all of his officers go rogue all the time?)
The Federation and the ‘Emerald Chain(?)’ have always been at odds - and this next bit of ‘exercises’ is not new to their tactics - just has extra meaning with the additional tension - which was mentioned when Discovery first arrived.
I tried to live tweet this epsisode and gave up halfway through but this is an isssue I raised.
I like the idea of an evil Federation but Terran society would fall apart in two weeks. I mean the NAZIS didn’t fight to the death over promotions. Even evil regimes have internal order and a shared mythology of being the good guys. And Giorgiou is just a pointless waste. I’m so tired of her and have no idea why Discovery didn’t toss her aside a long time ago. What’s her job on that ship? Officer in Command of Insulting People? and is any of this new mirror universe shit actually happening or is it a vision quest? Why did we make no story progress at all about this big Emerald Chain threat? What the flying fuck is even happening?
I was hoping CSI Door Guy was a Q but we never found that out.
Not to mention that the evil empire’s catch phase/battle cry is–essentially–“dirt.”
Vision quest? In that case, maybe he’s not a Q, he’s the Traveler. The way things are going, that would be the appropriate amount of stupid.
I am in a minority here when I say I actually like Giogiou. Its a testament to Michelle Yeoh’s abilities how she has been able to sell what has been Silliest Maximus. In a show which has a checklist of minority we need to represent and Good stories, fuck that she has risen above and perhaps realizing she is in a joke, is clearly having fun*.
Maybe Pikes ghost can come back, but frankly Anson Mount in a futuristic wheelchair and blinking light is better than 99% of the ST Discovery crew.
*Wilson Cruz has also it appears taken a page out of that book.
Pass through this doorway into the spinoff!
Well that answered that question. If Glasses Guy was aware of that from the archives it explains a lot.
“it was a test, it was only a test - had this been an actual episode it might have meant something”.
SImply an excuse to kill off crew and pretend to be bad - other than Phillipa, not a thing ANY of them could actually pull off.
That’s what I saw, anyway. Pity that was the use they put the Guardian of Forever to. This episode was no, “The City on the Edge of Forever”, but I won’t hate on it too much. They wanted to show Giogiou’s growth and regrets. It seemed silly in the face of an animalistic, snarling and spitting Captain Burnham, but Giogiou really wanted to fix her and undo the past. I hope the spinoff is worthwhile. Even if it is, it’s just more turning away from what Star Trek was before the J.J. Abrams reboot, and was always meant to be: A hopeful vision of the future. I don’t mind a darker aspect in a Section 31 series, but since 2009, it’s ALL been darker - except for The Orville.
I for one would pay to watch a Terran Empire spin-off.
Star Trek: The Iron Fist.
We got 15 minute of Burnham torture porn, which at least gave her a reason to cry.
Something something something about Kelpian ships, Admiral Ardeth Bey was briefed and pissed off.
And Philipa goes off to the 22nd century.
What a waste.
Glad to see Giourgiou ultimately proved her mettle and redeemed herself by exhibiting some moral growth. You know, through trying to torture her assumed daughter into submission, loyalty, and betraying and killing her companions. But well, I guess it’s OK because it was the clean torture where you just push a button and things get glowy and people scream, not the messy sort of torture with blood and guts and infection and bones.
The timeline has been screwed so many times, you know what I want to see??
“Section 31: Fuck This, Let’s Take Over.”…Yeoh, with 31’s resources and her knowledge of the location of several artifacts and events, take over the galaxy. Starts off the comics version of Thanos collecting the Infinity Stones…ends with just steamrolling the galaxy. Borg, Dominion…ALL BEFORE HER MIGHT.
You jest, but I’d actually like to see an X-Files in Star Wars universe style show. I think the Section 31 show can be interesting (I also am looking forward to the new Pike-Spock show).
Anyways, I know I’m late here (wife and I subbed to CBS All Access so we’d only have to buy a month). The season is eyerolling but yet interesting at the same time to me. I like a LOT better than Season 2 (I though S1 was decent - the Lorca story was good). I think there are some interesting threads out there and it seems like they are cutting out some of the overstuffed things (Terran Phillipa for one). In some respects are even slightly (very slightly though) focusing on other characters - more movement in that direction would be welcome.
The problem with this episode is that the viewer is supposed to get, and the crew actually did get, misty over Georgeau’s departure. (And no, I’m not going to bother looking up the spelling.)
I like Michelle Yeoh as much as the next guy, but this season she’s had absolutely nothing to do, and her performance suffered for it. She’s been Johnny One-Noting it for a while.
Why did she decide to make the 1,000-year jump? I don’t even remember if it was addressed at all. What are her duties on the ship? None. Nothing. Zip. Why do Saru and the others let her stay on the ship as a non-rent-paying freeloader? No fucking idea.
All that the writers have given her to do for nine episodes is insult and demean one or more of the other characters. Well, I was sick of it and happy to see her go. And the fact that the people who’d she’d spent so much time insulting and demeaning — but doing absolutely nothing to help or get to know or even speak civilly to — would toast her fondly and miss her in her absence is just about as believable as using mushrooms to travel infinite distances instantly.
The interesting part of this is that in the second episode of the season, she saved the day with her ‘unique’ skill set and manner.
There was a quote a little later in the season (might have been as part of this two parter) that things now were more Terran than they liked to admit - which means again, she had potential insight and skills that could have been used to good affect.
Her + Michael + Book (and don’t forget Grudge, who’s actually a flurkin) working as the new ‘underground’ to bring the Emerald Chain down from within - Starfleet Section 31-A - Could have made for interesting side adventures compared to Saru’s old school ‘Remember what the federation really means’ shtick. (Somewhat akin to the Defiants misadventures from DS9)
But no - instead they find a way to make the Mirror side so fucking boring its no wonder it didn’t survive.