Tarrsk, viva – e-mail me in re BSG on DVD. I might be able to help – I have all of them and the miniseries on my PC and a DVD burner.
E-mail’s in my profile, and be sure to put SDMB in the subject line.
Wow, thanks Bambi! Check yer email. 
Thanks Bambi! Email’s on its way.
Okay, I’m comming late to the party. I just watched These Are The Voyages, and I think this would have been a better pilot. Made me want to know more about Archer and his crew. Even the killing off of the Captain’s friend.
Just hire better writers that don’t turn me off after a season and 1/2 of terrible writing. I really did try to give it a chance. Now I’m wondering what I missed.
You know, that maybe could’ve worked. Great insight there, Bear
Just got a chance to watch the last three episodes and wow, did the finale ever suck. Given who wrote it- that is not a surprise. But it seemed almost intentional- refuting alot of the good stuff that happened this season to get back to their rejected vision of the show. Having been widely savaged for ruining Trek with a couple of sub par movies and the horrid season 2 of Enterprise- and seeing the praise that Manny got- here is their pretty revenge- “these are the voyages”.
Makes the Voyager finale look like Shakespere.
Been here since the Panda was born- going to miss these threads.
or Barclay.
My TiVo recorded “These are the Voyages” under “Terra Prime” and some baskeball under “These are the Voyages”. Normally I would be so mad for missing “Terra Prime” but I can’t work up the concern.
“These are the Voyages” was a minor TNG episode that didn’t really make sense. The Enterprise characters were not even given a decent burial. If Trip’s choice was noble thing to emulate, the entire Federation would be have no one left alive in it. It was Bergama’s statment that even the most mediocre TNG is better than Enterprise.
The whole ‘experience’ was [Vizzini]Inconceivable[/Vizzini]. A holo-experience is only as good as it’s program. The dialogue, especially between Archer and Shran in Archer’s private quarters, would not have been recorded. It could only be reconstructed through Archer’s personal logs but Archer doesn’t even want to give credit for the big things they’ve done so he wouldn’t write detailed logs. No, it would all just be made up by holo-writers. Not bad, but consider Riker is trying to make a huge moral decision based upon contrived past experiences. Read real histories, talk to real people, be a real leader and follow a compass you must have set long before reaching this position. Don’t look to Harold Robbins or Jacqueline Susann holo-novels. [Spock]Ahh; the giants[/Spock].
I look forward to catching up with BattleStar Gallactica and joining in discussions there. So long and thanks for all the fish (just wanted to say that, because I’ll still post about Star Trek too).
An outstanding idea…
Barclay: WTF? My hero Admiral Tucker died of old age in a house of ill repute in New Orleans…
Well, he’d be stammering…
There was a throwaway reference to Barclay in the episode; Troi late for an appointment and saying “Reg is gonna kill me.”
Really? A few sessions with you and he goes from a shy nebbish to homicidal? Yeesh, some counselor you are!
Maybe the entire episode is simply one of Brocolli’s holodeck fantasies?
Even better! “…Admiral TTTTTTTTucker…”
I SO hope you’re right.
Even as a holodeck recreation for Riker’s wimpishness, it’s still just a holo-writer’s recreation. The crew could have been commandeered for a Section 31 mission; sent to the Mirror Universe to explore; or any number of covert things that require a cover. That would explain the holo-writer’s stupid plot and the coverup bios discovered on Defiant.
In addition, wouldn’t Barclay’s stuttering make him sought after for oral sex?
I just got the chance to watch this.
Okay, Terra Prime I saw when it aired, but I didn’t watch “These are the voyages” because Family Guy was coming on Fox at the same time. I made my decision, and in retrospect it appears I made the right one. Terra Prime was okay, but this…
Wow! Were they looking for every possible way to make it suck? Because if that’s true they suceeded fairly well.
As most people have said:
-Trips death was lame, and nobody really seemed to care.
-Not showing up the Speech was stupid, after all that build up.
-The Andorian subplot felt tacked on.
-Chef is Riker? Urge to kill Rising…Rising.
Okay, this is worse then Greedo shooting first, and Lucas putting the Gungans in the ending of DVD ROTJ…oh, and Jaba letting Han walk all over him.
I just watched These are the Voyages last night. My take is that it never happened. I don’t know what universe that could have happened in, but it wasn’t the Trek universe that I know. Hacks is too good a name for them.
Star Trek is dead. Long live Trek!
hey, have you guys been keeping up with TrekToday and TrekBBS? The Paramount Trek situation is seriously fucked up.
It was some drunken holodeck sim of Riker’s.
Barclay discovered it and muttered, “This is strange. Everyone knows Admiral Tucker died at the age of 105 in a house of ill repute in New Orleans when he got into a bar fight.”
Er, Noclue, got links?
http://www.trekbbs.com
Just look for anything mentioning Berman, Bragga, execs, Paramount, the ENT actors, etc… The overall feeling is that ENT was doomed by the non Trek liking higher ups virtually from the beginning. If that line up of execs doesn’t change, expect any new Trek ideas to be met with tonnes of negativity.
I found this the other day - an interesting review of the finale and some insight about what was going on behind the scenes:
http://www.entil2001.com/series/enterprise/season4/ent4-22.html
Thank you! That was very interesting. We need that guy over here.