Star Trek Enterprise 3x18 Azati Prime (spoilers)

E Squared? Ugh… it better not be the E-J.

I wonder if anyone important dies.

Loved your play-by-play, NoClueBoy! Thanks for cutting the “new girl” a break and gracing this thread with your hilarity! :slight_smile:

I have been noticing T’Pol’s mouth. It looks more even and not as puffy as in Season One. (I’m just finishing up Season One. You might say I’m “mainlining” Enterprise—an episode—or two or three—a night.) Anyway, I wonder if she had some surgical enhancement to her lips? (I don’t know if any of you have discussed this previously since I’m still an Enterprise newbie.) In Season One her lips looked . . . lumpy. Now they don’t. (I draw portraits and maybe I notice more of this kind of thing. I don’t know. If I’m sounding anal, just move along, move along . . . )

I thought it was a good episode, with Archer being so self-sacrificing and noble and all. T’Pol’s just completely lost it, we all know that it’s official.

I want to scream at the ending. The Enterprise is taking such a beating! Big holes in it, big glowing chunks falling off of it! OH MY! How are our heroes going to escape (in a month and a half)?

Oh yeah, the 3x18 thing. That seems to be pretty standard in some circles. Yes, it means Season Three, Episode 18. I’ve got a lot of previous episodes (thanks to a web friend) and she labeled each episode like that. I’ve seen episodes labeled like that elsewhere. Not all computers can use the “/” mark when naming files so they use “X” instead.

In case of a water landing, she can be used as a flotation device.

Did anyone else see bodies flying out into space during one of the scenes of the Enterprise getting blasted again? I thought that was a nice touch of realism that I don’t think I’ve ever seen in Sci-fi before.

Damn Daniels…I blame him for eating the big old post I just wrote!!!

Okay…Sentence fragments are acceptable on certain occasions: headlines, ads, creative writing, emphasis, and of course any time I wish to use them. :smiley:

Purty gurd. No recap, good. There was enough continuity without it. Mayweather gets more lines and screen time than he did in all the rest of season 3’s eps put together.
Trip gets to say “ass-first.” He gets the best lines!
Daniels mentions the Ithanites. The Whoozits?

T’Pol is the weirdest Vulcan ever. Maybe she’s preggers…but I don’t think the pregnancy will go to term.

What’s with the odd way that Archer clutches Porthos’ face just before leaving him with Phlox? I now think of him as Captain Grabby Shovey Pushy Graspy Clutchy.

Archer finally reveals some guilt over having Tuvixed Sim, but he still calls the poor bastard “it.” No respect for the dead?

I think they stole Trennia’s name from Tranya.

Oops, two real grammatical problems: Degra says “Quick” when he should have said “Quickly.”
And Archer says “I had to try and stop you” instead of “try to,” which I’ve only posted a dozen damn times already.

Now I gotta go look fer clooz…

For the gazillionth time: Hoshi’s the new Travis, damn it. She’s the one who no longer gets any lines, not him. :frowning:

Trek has done it in Voyager and perhpas Enterprise.
Voyager also did the undersea space ship city stuff.

What I found most surprising was a scene during Quantum’s torture. The Reptilian gets right in his face and screams, “What Is Your Mission?!” and Quantum smiles and replies, “This is my quest / To follow that star / No matter how hopeless / No matter how far.” Did you see this in the Canadian version?

Wierd. I heard the exchange like this…

Lizard Dude: WHAT is your name?

Quantum: Dr. Samu… I mean, Jonathon Archer.

Lizard Dude: WHAT is your quest?

Quantum: We seek the Super Happy Fun Ball.

Lizard Dude: WHAT is the airspeed velocity of a heavily laden Xindi Avian?

Quantum: On a Class M or Class L planet?

Soontobedead Lizard Dude: I don’t know! Aaahhh!!!

The characters are finally having to make some tough choices. Archer blows up Moon base Alpha and speaks of having to kill people. Everybody gets to play the martyr. The pacing was good. I like “discovering” the Sphere-Builders being behind it all. But, as always, there are more questions than answers. Normally, this is a good thing. But the questions don’t point to the future and what will happen, but the past and what did happen.

The Xindi were convinced by Her-Who-Is-Named-She, apparently, that the humans are going to destroy them. What kind of evidence could be so overwhelming it would make you want to commit genocide? If it turns out that Archer is killed and T’Pol goes insane and detonates the Super Happy Fun Ball and destroys another Xindi homeworld and thus gives humans a bad name - I’m going to be disappointed.

Since the Xindi’s point is that the destruction is going to happen, the Xindi are comfortable with the idea of time travel. So why are they being swayed by Quantum? So he’s got a medalion from the future? Everybody can apparently time travel, even the bad guys, so … so what. Quantum hasn’t said anything that would convince me to stop killing humans. So he knows about the miscarriage. Hello! Time Travel! Future records!

No one ever points out that - if Enterprise destroys the Super Happy Fun Ball the Xindi could just build another. Sure it looks Really expensive, but I can’t see them saying, “Well that’s it, I guess. We’ll just let them exterminate us.” If anything they should say, “That’s IT! We’ll build another and you Reptilians start working on that bio-weapon … What you’re almost done. Good!”

Daniels meddling in history is against the Temporal Prime Directive, but he does meddle, nonetheless. So the Lensmen should work to correct this Alternate-Time-Line screwing around by the Sphere-Builders. Stop this wimpy medalion in the pocket stuff and get involved or show some reasons why you shouldn’t. You’re supposed to the the Time Patrol, so do something!
On to the nitpicks:[ul][li]The background music really overwhelms the dialogue. Maybe it’s just my expanded stereo setting. It was better in normal stereo. Anyone else have a problem with that? :mad:[]At least they tried some actual tactics (i.e. hiding behind a moon)[]Flying a spaceship in the cargo bay is a NO-NO! :mad:[]I didn’t see any need for T’Pol to bitch at Hoshi when Hoshi was translating.[]I like Archer reminding Trip/Fairweather to “get out with the info” otherwise getting the info is no good.[]Archer touch choice destroying Moon Base Alpha - character development! :)[]Enterprise-J has Big corridors, but it is appropriate that Daniels takes him to an out-of-the-way spot, like the corridor outside a main conference room.[]Hyperspatial Transdimensional Beings - the mice Will be furious.[]What the F*** is with T’Pol?! Either they’ve got a Really good backstory to explain this or Bergama need to have their asses kicked. Ah, what the h**, let’s just kick’em anyway! :mad:[]The Xindi “what will our children think of us” and Archer’s “I won’t order anyone else to die” are the parts of storytelling that should be emphasized throughout all the episodes. :)[]Trip gets a science station on the bridge. I guess the bridge is adjustable.[]T’Pol crying - sheesh! :mad:[]Do people really crash-dive their ships into the ocean?[]Making the Supper Happy Fun Ball underwater is neat. I’d hate to pump out the water though. Or lift it into orbit![]It was fortunate that Daniels took up enough of Archer’s time so that Archer was late for the ribbon cutting. Though you’d think that the launch of a Death Star would be something Enterprise would detect. If not the Ball then at least the accompanying convoy.[]Wasn’t it fortunate that somebody brought a Universal Translator to the Spanish Inquisition? :([]Why wasn’t Archer searched and the medalion taken? :([]Is “She” Rajiin, or T’Pol, or one of Phlox’s wife getting back at Trip for dismissing her?[]So Reed reports the Hull Plating is lost and still the ship can take hits? Where did they lose it? Did they check their pockets?[]The people ejected into space when the hole was blown in the hull was a COOL idea. :D[]Where’s that robofactory when you need it? “Oh, Fairweather, uh, I have a job for you.”[/ul][/li]A good story arc, some character development, keep’s my interest up, unanswered questions - good episode.

Daniels said so. On NCC-1701J. Don’t you guys watch the shows? :wink:

New Game For Trekkers!

Someone did mention that- I think it was Daniels actually. Still one problem at a time I suppose.

The Enterprise sure seems alot tougher then most other ships (like the Xindi ship they take out)- I wonder if the Xindi were trying to get some prisoners for interogation.

I thought for sure that Archer was going to get inside the ball o’ death- then try and negociate with them then.

Also, Daniels is just trying to undo the damage that the naughty Sphere-builders are doing, and to preserve the time line, not “improve” it (he could just do that with some arms technology transfers, like maybe the spec’s for the Enterprise J). I guess Daniels is trying to fix the timeline with the minimal amount of unforseen effects. Much like the “She” who seems to be helping and directing them, but not as much as She could either (although more then Daniels is doing).

Well, I’m thinking about the following facts:[ul][li]Degra (in charge of the weapon) and his crew are still on this planet at the end of the episode.[]Those lizard Xindi that seem (as far as I can tell from this episode) to be in charge of guarding the facility are still on the planet, beating the crap out of Archer.[]The ships guarding the planet are still in the system, beating the crap out of Enterprise.[]Archer went straight to the spot that Trip gave him the coordinates to, and got captured before looking elsewhere.[]The weapon disappeared on short notice.The Enterprise, all worried about Archer, didn’t notice a big explosion or big launch, until they saw ships coming towards them.[/ul][/li]My conclusion: The weapon is obviously still on the same planet, just at a different spot, and hasn’t been launched yet.

Okay, we all want to know who this mysterious “she” is that Degra mentioned. Obviously, she is the driving force behind the conflict. She is misleading the Xindi. She has a master plan. She gets her own italics. But who is She, really?

From the home office on Procyon 4, Crewman Daniels presents the Top Ten candidates for HER:

10. The Borg Queen: “You know, if we go back far enough in time, we’ll be able to assimilate this stupid little planet.” Must not know that it’s failed before.
9. Yar: from an alternate future timeline – still pissed off at being killed off early in the series, not to mention in such a stupid episode. You say she’s been a villain before? Reuse plots and characters from other Star Trek Shows? These guys? Nawwww.
8. Hoshi. That’s just what they get for not giving her more screen time.
7. Janet Jackson. The wardrobe malfunction was only a test. Wait until you see her spheres. I am so going to burn in heck for that one. Well, I guess in heck, you don’t burn, but I’ll steam in heck.
6. Janet Reno. (Okay, cheap shot.)
5. SHE. You know, HER. You must know who I mean. HER. Oh, come on!
4. Janeway: In her timeline, this is known as “the battle to get back on a current TV show since they won’t let me have any movies”.
3. Servalan. That’s the one they should be scared of; if Servalan’s doing this, it will probably succeed. (Yes, I know she’s from the wrong show, and an old one at that. That bothers you more than these other suggestions?)
2. T’Pol: C’mon, she’s wildly emotional, doesn’t act like a Vulcan, you just know she’s not a real Vulcan. Obviously, the only other plausible alternative is an agent for the transdimensional-time-travelling-evil-opponents from Pink Space.

And the number one candidate…
1. Evil Kira from the Alternate DS9 universe. Hey, time travel, alternate timelines – they’re all set up for this. Who else would come up with such a convoluted plan as “Destroy the Xindi homeworld, go back 400 years, convince them that it will happen, convince them that it’s the humans fault, help them come up with a planet-busting weapon instead of just taking their fleet of superior ships to attack the planet, all to keep them from thinking about these many clearly artificial looking spheres mucking up the place?” Think about it: anyone less ditzy would just start by attacking Earth directly by going back in time just a few more years to when they had no defenses. Must be Kira.

What happened to the Enterprise I?

Khan was running around like a little kid, stabbing at thee, and poked an “I” out.

It’s pretty obvious what happened here:[ol][li]Enterprise scriptwriter posessed brain the size of a proverbial walnut.[/li][li]Enterprise scriptwriter says to himself, “I don’t need to worry about things like technology, I’m an artist!”[/li][li]Enterprise scriptwriter writes script in which Reed says, “We’ve lost shields!”[/li][li]Michael Okuda gently reminds Enterprise scriptwriter that the NX-01 doesn’t have shields, you moron, it has hull plating which can be polarized.[/li]Enterprise scriptwriter draws a line through “shields” and writes “hull plating” above it.[/ol]

Khan would remind you, after a pun like that, of the old Klingon proverb that revenge is a dish best served cold.

It’s very cold in space, Corner Case

Bypassed. “I” looks too much like “1”.