That’s funny. I heard that on the pan and scan version, Wesley is removed from the scene.
I also liked Geordi’s reaction to the number of times Guinan has been married.
The Star Trek laws of time travel are certainly not very clear to understand, they even hang a lampshade on this sometimes (particularly egregiously in the DS9 episode where O’Brien keeps leaping into the future and he ends up meeting himself, but the future self has no memory of being lept into the future last time like O’Brien just did).
There was also the inconsistency in the TNG episode where they shifted into a parallel universe due to the Enterprise C emerging from a time hole, thus meaning the war with the Klingons never ended. Of course the fact that it ended with everything being back the way it was suggests there is a single timeline that can be changed, but if that’s so how did Tasha Yar still exist to be captured and give birth to a child in the past? The timeline changing back should have erased her back out of existence.
Personally I’m happy with the fanwank they’ve used with the new film to allow the franchise to be rebooted, but then I’m not one of these fans that attempts to make science fiction make sense at the expense of my own enjoyment of it. 
Recently I’ve watched that episode and I don’t understand what you’re saying.
- Tasha’s dead, killed by that living tar pit thing.
- Time line change, side effect is that Tasha never met the tar pit entity and is still alive.
- Time line restored, Tasha’s once again dead. I don’t recall anything about her being captured or giving birth.
I thought she died in another time line after having a child by a Romulan.
The Tasha from the alternate universe went back in time to a point before the split between the alternate universe and the usual universe, replacing the captain of the Enterprise C, and allowing that ship to defeat the Romulans (thus restoring the usual universe). In a later episode, it is learned that Tasha was captured by the Romulans after that battle, and had a child with a Romulan officer. This child, Sela, became an opponent to Picard, partially because she had the impression that Alternate-Picard had sent alternate-Tasha on a suicide mission (in truth, alternate-Tasha had volunteered, but after all Sela was hearing the story from her Romulan father, who had no reason to tell Sela the truth).
Therefore the alternate universe that no longer exists did have an effect on the “real” universe.
Could be. I don’t remeber ever seeing that, but I’ve still got 4 seasons to go through.
Another TNG episode features Klingons who have been in hibernation since the time of Kirk. Yet they are the new Klingons and not the old ones.
Please don’t get them started on that. :rolleyes:
[Worf]We do not discuss it![/Worf]
True, but didn’t Enterprise attempt to explain it anyway? I haven’t seen much of Enterprise because by that time, I did not bother anymore about star trek. But that’s what I heard.
Yes, they wasted an episode with that silly…
Ahem.
Yes, they provided an explanation.
Yes, there was an explanation, but in the 24th century, Worf was reluctant to talk about it. And three of the Klingons from the original series, Kang (Michael Ansara), Koloth (William Campbell), and Kor (John Colicos) appeared on DS9 with the appearance of modern Klingons without an explanation of the difference. Apparently it is still an embarrassing subject for the Klingons.
Not a bad ranking, although personally I think First Contact is overrated just because people like the Borg, while Search for Spock is underrated just because it’s an odd number.
First Contact came out when I was 13 and it came on HBO all the time for the next 3 years. I probably watched it ever time. I even watched it in a high school class one day. I have a lot of fond memories of that movie and have already watched it 2 or 3 times in 2010.
I put the Search for Spock low because the second half was just boring to me. The first half was shaping up to be a good movie, then cheap sets and drawn out, boring scenes dominated the second half. There was a good movie in there somewhere though, which is something I can say for all Star Trek movies. Except V.
See, for me it can never measure up to The Best of Both Worlds. If they could have filmed that two part episode with First Contact’s budget, it would have been the best Star Trek movie of all time by a wide margin.
As for Search for Spock, I tend to think of movies II, III, and IV as a trilogy because of how the plot flows together (despite significant differences in tone). III is the weakest of the three, but it’s still part of what collectively is the sweet spot of the Star Trek movie franchise.
You mean the writers.
Really??? Yesterday I showed my girlfriend part II and felt I had to apologise that these two episodes were so worthless. The borg have come to fuck with Picard and fatally kick our asses. After an hour at the wrong end of the beating Riker decides to do something that works for a change and rekidnaps Picard. Data sends all the Borg to sleep which obviously causes their cube to self destruct. Although the enterprise for some very strange reason survived the fight, most of the fleet has been destroyed and thousands have been killed, leaving the Federation pretty much unprotected from anyone who wants to take advantage, but that doesn’t seem to matter.
If that makes sense, then I don’t know what doesn’t. The only time it worked better was when the BBC aired it recut to 1 very long episode.
So why couldn’t they shoot Spiner’s face now, and recording all of his facial ticks and enunciations and such, and CGI the MF’s head onto a non-aging body?
Am I the only one who sees this?
I wouldn’t have a problem with that or with Data looking older and chubbier “in trying to act more human,” but the main reason it can’t happen is because of the reboot.
For what problem is this the solution?
Because people don’t just age in their body, but also in their face. I wouldn’t even notice the body looking different if the face looked the same.
To do what you are saying would take motion capture and require a full CGI Data. The technology just isn’t there. The closest they could get would be to digitally de-age ala X-men or Benjamin Button.
But I suspect Spiner’s real reason was the same as Stewart’s. The TNG movies just weren’t doing that well, and neither want to be involved with that. And, with the reboot, they have no reason to be.