Star Trek Picard Season 3 discussion (open spoilers)

I remember seeing idle speculation that the secret formula of Cloaking Tech plus Genesis Tech — a stealth attack that wipes out all life on a planet in one shot — could be the thing to be guarded against by both sides, with the Feds saying “we have a one-shot planet-killer; with a cloak it’s all over,” and the Romulans saying “we have a cloak; with a one-shot planet-killer it’s all over,” and then, y’know, truce.

That SNW Romulan ep is wack. the ship we saw in Balance of Terror had ‘simple impulse’, a cloaking device that didn’t work completely well…and a gimmick weapon we never saw again that it was intimated could be detonated by a phaser. And it was stated this was the Praetors flagship.

It was SO good…they had to team up with the Klingons and get their ships.

I mean, not that I think it was a great idea or anything, but I still find completely ignoring the plot developments regarding the Borg in the prior seasons an odd choice. Not just the Jurati-Borg that seemed poised to join the Federation, but also the ‘artefact’ from the first season with the whole Borg reintegration program. The handling of the Borg in this season seemed consistent with neither—these Borg were on the verge of collapse, yet simultaneously able to orchestrate a secret plan to assimilate the Federation from within, in contrast to both the Borg as usual of the artefact, and the reformed collective in the wake of Jurati becoming queen.

Also, it seemed odd for the Borg to enter into an alliance at all. But I think there was a missed opportunity there: the Changelings, in their own way, also represent a dissolution of individuality in the great link, so there was a possibility of comparing and contrasting their approaches that was never followed up on.

At least Q’s death was acknowledged, if only to handwaved it away—but this just makes the treatment of the Borg all the more strange: one could’ve easily included a line about how this is a splinter collective, of there having been a schism within the Borg, or whatever. But not acknowledging it at all seemed odd.

Apart from that, I’m still annoyed at how well this nostalgic angle works. Am I really just longing to recapture the wonder the future held in my youth?

Making the Titan the Enterprise-G felt cheap. The Titan made her own name, no reason to co-opt the glory of the name Enterprise.

Also, I had models of all the Enterprises. Now I have to get two new ones??

I have a theory that since traditionally, that we know of, the crew of The Enterprise have been such cowboy mavericks that Starfleet has kept them on one ship .Even going so far during the Dominion War as to have Enterprise-E be a USO tour boat.

At one point Starfleet had some of their BEST officers running the Enterprise as a cadet training vessel.

So maybe if we make “The Enterprise” a small exploratory vessel…they can stay out of trouble.

As for nostalgia…its just that DISCO and a large part of Picard have been such dreck. I mean compare the season we just saw to the season 2 trailer for SNW. Half the trailer sounds like it was written by the same crap AI program that writes DISCOs dialogue.

Someone called it TikTok Trek. With anachronistic shit like fist bumps…deconstructing men…Girl Power. Etc.

Now, I give SNW a bit of a pass cause if Pike wants to run his ship like if Community were Star Trek. Well thats his business. And if we find out Kirk was Pike’s third in command ultimately,or something like that. Enh. I think Im fine with it.

But the contrast between TikTok Trek and what we just saw is staggering.

Worf: And I will make it a threesome.
Ryker: Do you even hear yourself?

Best line of the series!

Some episodes talk about the treaty of Algernon as the treaty that ended the Earth Romulan War (the same treaty that created the Neutral Zone) and some talk about it as something that came later ( maybe they are the same like SALT I and SALT II where a treaty is updated) but either way to end Conflict with the Romulans, Earth/the Federation agreed to not develop their own cloaking devices.

And of course Anton Chekhov is also the name of the Russian playwright. Nice that Walter Koenig got a voice cameo, though.

Also: it’s about flipping time we saw serious medical use of the transporter.

At the risk of sounding morbid, that’s also almost certainly going to be the very last appearance of any member of the original cast in any Star Trek project.

Well, George Takei is still hanging in there. You never know.

The Treaty of Algeron was with the Romulan Star Empire; which no longer exists. Even if the Federation recognizes the Romulan Free State as it’s successor the it’s clearly much weaker and less of a threat than the old Empire.

The way I took it was that this is the Borg Queen from the end of Voyager, forced to consume her own drones to stay alive, with no drones she can control thanks to the virus. (Hence why neither Jack nor Picard are controlled by her when they link to the new collective.) And that’s it’s only because of being able to hear Jack’s thoughts that she has new hope, coming up with this plan.

I haven’t seen the other seasons. (I only caught this one thanks to people on YouTube.) But every time I see someone ask about about the Jurati Borg, others reply saying that they are another faction, one completely distinct from the Borg that Janeway faced or which created Locutus. Does that make sense?

Shaw himself dismisses the Season 2 Borg, saying that he is not entirely sure what the deal is with that “weird shit” but that “the real Borg are still out there.” Anyway, it is clear that groups of Borg ranging from a single drone or queen to multiple cubes are able to act autonomously, without having to involve every Borg in the galaxy, which only makes sense; it would be grossly inefficient otherwise. The more there are, the more intelligent and capable they become, though.

BTW the Season 3 Borg queen’s ultimate plan for the quadrant seemed to boil down to “EX-TER-MI-NATE! EXTERMINATE…”

I think that’s it. As far as I remember it (and with all the Borg queens running around, I might be way off), Agnes merged (or whatever) with a/the Borg queen from an alternate timeline, but in the past (2024). Her Borg spent 400 years being an off shoot that hadn’t interacted with the normal Borg we know and love and have grown so very very tired of. Since Agnes is a good guy, her Borg group that we see at the end of Season 2 is ostensibly an all-volunteer Borg; they’ve all chosen of their own accord to join.

tl;dr
Agnes is a brand new Borg Queen (but created 400 years ago) and the Queen from Picard season 3 is the Queen from Voyager.

“Admiral Janeway, we spent the entire series hammering home how bad genocide is…only to find that you genocided the Borg. How do you respond???”

“Oopsie.”

“Oopsie!!”

Agnes is a mad scientist at best (and a murderer), not a “good guy”. But even normal, generic Borg are not into wanton destruction or purges, which would be a waste of valuable resources and manpower they could assimilate.

And even if you don’t agree with the treaty, you have the voice of the Great Bird of the Galaxy who said The Federation doesn’t use Cloaking devices because “The Federation doesn’t sneak around.” :slight_smile:

You’re talking about Maddox? She was acquitted.

I thought the whole season got more and more stupid as it went on. It was like a meal of Easter eggs and gravy. Easter eggs because the fan service was never ending and became almost sickening. And gravy because everything was poured on so thick. Every decision the writers made was dialled up to 11.

Of course the Borg were behind it. In this series it would be impossible for the enemy to just be Changelings. God forbid there should be anything new!

Regarding the Jurati-Borg Queen thing, I seem to recall that S2 ended with the friendly Borg guarding a massive wormhole that something big and nasty was trying to emerge from.

Anything ever going to come from that, do we think?

I thought she fell down a turbolift shaft.