Not prequel, SEQUEL!
Not back, FORWARD!
Waaaayyyy forward.
Count me in the “Nemesis was actually pretty good” camp.
Nemesis had cool space battles. That’s all I need. I’m easily amused.
As much as I loved DS9, the series ended with a good climax and I would like to see the story end there. (Although a movie set in the gamma quadrant with a slight nod to DS9 wouldn’t be bad)
If they’re going to do a new movie, I’d like to see a whole new concept. Don’t use ANY characters from the series. A new movie with new characters and above all A GOOD STORY.
Ok! I’ll bring the phaser cutting phasers, and you bring the Romulan ale to toast with afterwards!
“A note to the SDMB galley, Romulan Ale is no longer to be served at hostile take-over celebrations…”
When interest in a franchise has waned, I think it’d be much better to give it a break for a few years and then come back with a fresh idea and approach. By comparison, this feels like a desperate attempt at shaking things up on the fly.
Nemesis had it’s moments:
“Set a course for Earth. Kill everything.”
I think DS9 had a horrible ending. I wanted Gul Dukat to have the Dumar role of “Good Bad Guy”.
A DS9 movie should have Sisko return as a normal guy to bring a warning to the Federation from the Prophets.
It occurs to me that one could use Vulcan before the Romulan split as a setting and simply remake Samurai movies.
“Phaser Cutting Phasers of the Logical Seven”.
Nemesis was good, except for those retarded dune buggys. A DS9 movie would be cool if they made it a sci-fi drama, instead of a sci-fi explosion movie. The ending of DS9 really lends itself to a serious movie and not a space-battle fest. Also, the other Star Trek movies that failed did so because, in my opinion, the stories were too small. The very first one is the exception, but it sucks for other reasons. Having Sisko come back as some kind of religious leader and being opposed to the Federation would be cool. It could have him wrestling with what he learned with the Prophets and his duty as a Starfleet officer. Sci-Fi movies all seem to have to be high tech battles and lasers, a serious, intelligent drama in a sci-fi setting would be a nice change of pace.
I’ve posted it before and I’ll post it again:
Ditch the episodic series thing. Have, instead, mini-series (2-4 parts) based on the many good Star Trek novels and short stories.
Just don’t let the Sci-Fi Channel (AKA The Series Destroying Channel of Despair) have anything to do with it.
That’s how it showed up in the trailer, but I believe in the movie it actually was:
“Kill everything on that ship. Then set a course for Earth.”
(The trailer version was more fun…)
Yeah… and my big objection to the damn dune buggy scene is that there’s no explanation of who the hell those people are, and why they just show up shooting. They’re obviously only in the story to provide a chase scene.
It doesn’t matter that the Duke of Wellington did not say “We owe this victory to the English public school system” at Waterloo; he should have said it, and that’s what counts.
For some reason, “Star Trek XI : Week at Bernies” comes to mind.
Considering the recent popularity of zombie movies, I think what we need is something utterly spectacularly graphic and gritty and dangerous and amazing.
The Borg attack Earth.
A full on apocalyptic war of zombie robots. Destruction, violence, wholesale slaughter, with a dash of personal drama in the form of the struggle to survive.
I’d go see that. And it’d give them an excuse to revitalise and reset the franchise.
Wasn’t that called “First Contact”?
They showed a partial aftermath (a lot of lights on Earth from space), and the comedic attempts to prevent it from occuring via time travel; they didn’t actually show any war.
What the Trek franchise needs is a fresh voice. Berman should go away, and after a suitable time we should see a new Star Trek movie directed by someone like Peter Jackson.
I have no faith in this ratings system, since it doesn’t take into account all the international viewers (as far away as Argentina, Israel and even Kuwait), all of us who don’t have Nielsen boxes, and all the markets from which ratings points go missing every time UPN pre-empts the show for sports. I just heard from a slew of angry ENT fans on the Project listserv who were pissed that, after six weeks of waiting for new eps, they got stuck with sports instead in several major cities.
Though not a big TNG fan, I think if they wanted to mine the Dominion War for an untold story (just what the heck was the Enterprise doing during that conflict) and have a crossover with both casts (though that could get expensive). I think they could manage a pretty interesting movie.
But the TNG films were almost totally worse in every way when compared to the real Trek films.
Nemesis was a disaster. The characters all acted totally out of… umm, character.
The romp around the non-warp capable world was a TOTAL violation of the prime directive, which does matter in terms of story telling – Picard simply didn’t do such things.
Worf was suddenly “back” with no explanation. That’s bad writing.
The whole plot of the ‘lets make peace with our great enemey, oh no something’s gone wrong and look theres a ship that can fight while cloaked!’ was entirely a rehash of Star Trek 6, only done much, much worse.
Data’s death was handled terribly. We didn’t even get five minutes of mourning for his loss. One stupid toast, and the next scene everyone was cracking jokes again. Proving that modern Trek has no sense of a denoument anymore.
The Remans were just stupid. We finally get the Romulans in a movie, but NOOO, they have to mess it up and bring in a bunch of “scary” looking monsters.
The actor as the Picard clone looked nothing like Picard looked when he was younger.
The other android stuff was SO DONE so many DAMN TIMES on the show (Lal, the episodes with Lore, the episodes where Data explored his own existence, the episode with his mother, the… ugh!) and it was done particularly badly here.
The final fight scene was so horribly choreographed that it didn’t look at all like Picard was pinned against the wall. It looked like he was just standing there like an idiot.
The “mini-transporter” thing was NOT NEW. They had them in the series, and in the series they could beam more than one person. There was no reason for Data to have to die there, that was just a poorly written contrivance. I have no problem with killing Data, but dammit, make it sensible and consistent with established continuity!
Didn’t you love Dr. Crusher and Geordi in the film? Waitaminute! They did absolutely nothing! Just like in the last movie! And the one before that! You know, the original crew movies juggled their cast of characters much better than this. Because they had better writers.
The final collision scene was visually cool, but was bad physics, even for Star Trek. And I noticed they only put Troi at the helm when they need the ship to hit something…
This movie could have been good. It was salvagable. But not in the hands of a first-time Trek writer and a first-time Trek director. It needed Nicholas Meyer at the helm and Ron Moore at the keyboard.
I hate to nitpick one sentence in a long post I totally agree with otherwise but are you on crack here? TOS and its movies were always about Kirk, McCoy, and Spock with Scotty, Uhura, Sulu, and Chekov added on as afterthoughts.
Yes, but they always had their moments, and memorable ones, too. They made damn sure to give everyone in the movie at least one scene, at least in the good films. And they all were on screen a hell of a lot more than you see Crusher or LaForge in any of the TNG films, with the possible exception of First Contact.
Since Nemesis was just Star Trek 6 done badly, let’s look at that one:
Sulu: Had the smallest role of the seven, but he got to be the one to fly in to save the day, and also had several scenes that were solely about his character.
Checkov: Had several GREAT lines, and got pretty much the entire detective subplot to himself.
Scotty: Aside from getting to chew scenery in all his normal “Sheilds weakening!” glory, he also got to kill the last bad guy at the end.
Uhura: Not only did she get to be the character who figured out how to save the day (“the thing’s gotta have a tailpipe!”), she carried, pretty much solo, the most memorable and funny scene in the whole film when she tried to speak Klingon to the border post.
What, in Nemsis, did Troi, LaForge, Riker, Worf, Crusher or Geordi get to do? The entire film was Picard and his Android. What a poor way to send off the cast.
And irritating, if you read the draft scripts: there WERE good moments in there fore everyone, but they cut them out, yet kept a bunch of annoying bullshit with B9 and the stupidest car chase ever.