And Terrifel is responsible for the fact that Starving Artist can’t express himself accurately, I guess.
No doubt Starving Artist’s inability to accept full responsibility for his own words is also the fault of liberals, somehow. “I may have used the wrong term, but society is to blame.”
I, of course, used the term “Republican” because the topic at hand was the Republican VP (technically, a Photoshopped image of the Republican VP’s kid). I am entirely open to the possibility that classy, dignified women can still be readily found among other groups of conservatives-- perhaps in other countries, or among the Amish. I would not have imagined that the millions upon millions of registered American Republicans somehow can’t find a single classy dame among their ranks, but apparently it is so.
Remember, folks: conservatives have no control over their own ability to express values such as class and sophistication. So the next time a conservative dons that Klan hood and rallies the crowd to kill for Jesus, ask yourself: how did liberals cause this?
To be completely fair, didn’t xtisme recently state he was considering voting for Obama (too tired to look it up right now)? If so, that, to me, seems to be someone willing to change.
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See what happens when all you do is read Republican talking points? If Obama does raise taxes on those making over $250K, back to where they were, maybe we’d gasp go back to that Depression we suffered through in the '90s.
Some of Starving Artist’s allegations about American society over the years have bothered me. But I’ve arrived at the point where I simply (a) ignore them most of the time, and (b) if I have the background information to refute one, provide it, for the benefit of any third parties that may be interested/swayed by it – having given up hope of changing SA’s opinions by any arguments I can advance.
But in reference to others who have entered the fray here and who are common Pittees themselves, I want to say something that I think hasn’t been said and should be.
Do you know what Clothahump and lissener have in common? Socially and politically they appear to be at opposite extremes, but there is a valid and positive answer. While both are men seemingly convinced of the rightness of their own views to the point that almost any argument to the contrary is simply ignored by them, both men have devoted extensive volunteer time to work with young people at risk. That’s not something I’ve seen others mention doing, and I think it’s extremely laudable. And a piece of what makes this place special – two men, representing opposite extremes of the fractured American social milieu, are each doing something badly needed and which a lot of people decide is “someone else’s job.” Well, they’ve decided they’re the “someone else” whose job it is. Kudos, both of you!
I had no idea about that, for Clothahump, at least (though I do remember now, vaguely, lissener mentioning an LGBT youth center literally years ago). That does kind of edge the old turtle out of the “Complete Tool” column for me.
Kudos to you, Clothahump, and I mean that sincerely.
Too true. People were very polite to you if you were a white male. Not so much if you were black or looked a bit different. I won’t speak for women, but I don’t think wolf whistling is considered proper any more.
Yep. Glad I’m not the only to notice. Overweening asshole makes sure he gets in his “I have a real life in meatspace” asinine dig in just about every fuckin’ dropping he regales us with – over 6,000 of them and counting.
Like anyone gives a flying fuck.
As for that little self-loathing righteous prick, xt, give him a turd-sundae with a “Made In The USA” label on it, and he’ll not only eat but love it and ask for seconds…
Actually, he does have a certain type of knowledge, and it forms the core of his worldview. He has his own experience to go by. For Starving Artist, history is not comprised of large, complicated, multi-faceted forces and events; it is, rather, reducible to his own experiences, and to his own interpretation of those experiences.
Argue with him about racism, about crime, and social and cultural mores, about anything you like, and the foundation of his argument is always rooted in nothing more than personal experience, with no consideration of statistics, or historical research, or even of logical debate. It is a rigorously and explicitly subjective worldview, rooted in anti-intellectualism and wilful ignorance. It doesn’t help that his ignorance is filtered through an ultra-conservative political stance, as well as a good measure of conspiracy theory ideology.
To SA’s credit, he has, at times, been very open and honest about his narrow-mindedness. He has stated on numerous occasions that arguments based on research and evidence and historical analysis are less important and less relevant to him than arguments rooted in personal experience. He is the living epitome of the belief that the plural of anecdote is data.
