:dubious: In case you’ve forgotten, allegations of sexual assault against Franken first surfaced last November 16 and Franken announced his intention to resign barely three weeks later on December 7, after the scandal raged across the internet. And mind you, this was after Franken immediately apologized for his acts of sexual assault and harassment, which were relatively mild compared to what Kavanaugh is said to have done.
So I don’t think you have a leg to stand on when it comes to accusations of hypocrisy about the Franken case. His fellow liberals and Democrats were outraged by his unacceptable behavior toward women, and rapidly kicked him to the curb on account of it.
I was talking of all of the past until now. I think things have gradually gotten better over time, though we still have a long way to go. To me, American society is certainly better now than it was in the 80s and 90s growing up. I would not want my kids to grow up then, and certainly not before then, either.
You are obviously blind to the fact that I’m doing nothing more than what most of the posters to the board’s political threads do, only coming from the other end of the spectrum. I attack and complain about liberals in almost the exact same way that most of the board’s liberal posters attack and complain about conservatives and Republicans. Plus I’m outnumbered about 1,000 to 1 if you take all the anti-right comments here into account. I also curse a great deal less than I come in for.
If you can’t take the heat, put me on ignore.
Another point I think deserves to be raised is the notion that a poster should somehow “contribute” to the board in order to justify his participation here. Apart from the fact that in my view I contribute quite a bit to the board by way of keeping it from becoming an echo chamber, there’s also the fact that this is a “public” message board, whose purpose for existence is to allow people to post their thoughts and the views. Naturally a certain amount of moderation is required to keep the place from becoming a zoo, but apart from that a person should be allowed to post whatever he wants…even contrasting political views. In other words, nowhere is it written that a poster must be perceived as “contributing” to the board in order to post here.
Except you don’t have any hypocrisy to rail against except the one in your head. You’re a hypocrite for being upset by something that happened over 20 years ago and trying to act on what you perceive to be an injustice done so long ago. Why do you think you should be held to a different standard than these women?
You are a hypocrite, and we don’t have to listen to anything you say.
I know you want badly to win this one, but you’ve already lost the fight. You chose the fight, you set the terms of the encounter and then you lost the fight, not least by engaging in the very tactic that you decried in the other side.
So do us all a favor and quote all the posters here who argued that Bill Clinton’s alleged rape was no big deal. Because you aren’t arguing against anyone here or anything anyone here has done; you’re arguing with people that exist only in your head, the same as they’ve been for the past 20+ years.
It’s [del]a shame[/del]hilarious that you can’t just get over this and move on with your life, as you advised those women to do.
Go fuck yourself, idiot. The reason people dislike you is not because you’re a conservative or a Republican; people dislike you because you’re a fucking asshole.
Fair enough. I know that you know which areas I think are worse now, so I won’t bother you with them. I will say that from my POV some things are better and some are worse. The biggest problem I have with things today is that I believe the things that have gotten better could have been accomplished without simultaneously creating the things which I believe are worse.
Yes, there were a few people who were angry with Franken, and good on iiandyiiii for his stand, but there was nowhere near the anger, venom and outrage aimed at Franken or Clinton either here on the Dope or among the public at large that there has been toward Kavanaugh, and Clinton’s misbehavior is orders of magnitude worse than what Kavanaugh is accused of.
Franken was literally driven from office as a United States Senator in a matter of weeks by the scandal about his sexual misconduct, and you’re saying that “there was nowhere near the anger, venom and outrage aimed at” him?
Nonsense. If Kavanaugh were permanently dropped from consideration as a Supreme Court Justice right now, he still wouldn’t have experienced anywhere near the harsh-retribution-by-popular-opinion that Franken did.
Like I said, I’m behaving the same way the other side does. Most of the political posters here seem every bit as much to be assholes as you perceive me to be. But, as with Bill Clinton’s contretemps, you’re attitude toward their behavior is benign because basically you’re in agreement with them. So I look like an asshole and they seem like normal, everyday, rational, good-hearted people. To those on my side you look like assholes and we’re all normal, everyday, rational, good-hearted people.
Not reporting but pointing out the misuse of the quote tags in the previous post, because I’m guessing it was inadvertent. Maybe a mod can be asked to fix?
Yeah, this is what I don’t get. He literally went from senator to ex-Senator in a period of a few weeks. Story broke 11/16. Franken says he’s resigning on 12/7. Makes it official on 1/2. How in the hell is that the result of just a few people being angry at Franken? The public was pissed, and he was gone. There’s no double standard there. I mean, come on, it’s Al Franken. Wasn’t he supposed to be like one of the left’s most beloved senators? And yet, come this accusation, he was rightfully driven out ASAP. I don’t see the double standard there.
I’m talking about the behavior of the people on this board, the media, and the public in general. It’s true Franken was driven from office, but from my vantage point here on the right, he was mostly driven from office by conservatives with liberals reluctantly following along as they had no substantive way to demur.
As far as Anthony Weiner is concerned, he was driven from office and eventually into jail for compulsive sexual misbehavior with underage girls, which pisses off everybody regardless of their politics.
And now I really do have to go. Perhaps I’ll turn off my computer so as not to be tempted by additional provocations.
:dubious: More than two dozen Democratic Senators called on Franken to resign, and you call that “reluctantly following along”? And it was progressive media that kept the Franken scandals active, with subsequent accusations highlighted by, e.g., Huffington Post.
“Your vantage point there on the right” sounds like it could benefit from exposure to news media outside the right-wing echo chamber.
And by the way, Starving Artist, you may want to get in touch with a mod about your (apparently inadvertent) misuse of quote tags to misquote Itself in post #90. Doesn’t look like you did it on purpose, but it’s technically a moddable offense.
WTF is wrong with you? What kind of response is that? Can’t you even deflect decently?
Franken’s no saint, but I don’t recall that he put his hands on anybody - did I miss that?
Okay, I’ll play - you don’t get to refer to “Clinton’s misbehavior” but “what Kavanaugh is accused of”. Both were accused; neither was convicted of a crime; I’m not aware of any incontrovertible evidence in either case. So, no, it’s ‘behavior’ for both or ‘accusation’ for both.
Franken was literally driven from office as a United States Senator in a matter of weeks by the scandal about his sexual misconduct, and you’re saying that “there was nowhere near the anger, venom and outrage aimed at” him?