Look, just because I’ve spent the last four months building my own Boba Fett costume doesn’t mean Star Wars dominates my life.
Hooray, you just won three Cool Points!
Now, don’t let me slow you down. I’m sure you have plenty of other threads to visit in which you tell people who are interested in something you aren’t that they’re wasting their time and have no lives.
Quoth SPOOFE:
After the setup in Ep 1, it would be absolutely impossible for Threepio not to get his memory reset (which is, after all, something which can be done easily to droids). I mean, how else do we prevent him blurting out to Luke that he was made by Luke’s dad?
I agree, though, about Artoo. He has the sense to know when to keep his piezoelectric buzzer shut.
By the way, about the effects: They’d only complain about the drop in the quality if they saw the Special Editions. The original effects looked much better, before they computerized them (yes, there was such a thing as special effects before computers). It’s just the “new and improved” syndrome.
On the topic of the effects, I enjoyed the minor changes they made… they filled in a couple gaps (mostly the launching-ships scenes). However, they went waaay too far with the musical number in ROTJ. And just my luck, I’ve lost the non-special-edition ROTJ from my trilogy :mad:
Doesn’t Leia say in ANH that she remembers her mother?
Just the point I wanted to make. All these people suggesting that Padme must die in ep 3 (and even that Anakin should kill her, which just can’t see) are forgetting about this. I presume she will still be alive at the end of ep 3. To have it otherwise would be a breach of continuity.
Well, Leia could mean she remembers her foster-mother. It’s not like that would be the first contuity breach the first three movies made, if you witness Mr. “I first met your father when he was a fighter pilot in the Clone War” Kenobi.
However, what might be better than having Anakin kill Padme, would be for Amadala to die some other way, maybe because of a Jedi screwup, which turns him completely to the Dark Side
Anakin: OK, Padme, even though you’re pregnant, and almost due, the Jedi Council is making me go halfway across the galaxy to participate in useless trade negotiations. Thank G-d relativity hasn’t been discovered yet so when I come back, you and the kids won’t be dead.
Padme: Ok, have fun. I’m going for a walk, or maybe ride on one of those giant ticks.
<she walks down the path>
Padme: Why, hello, Master Yoda. Should you really be drunk and swinging that light saber around like that…
<whzz-zap><thud>
Medical droid: Well, she couldn’t be saved, but we saved the kids.
Jar-Jar: Little Annie! Isa good to see you. Massa Yoda slice up Padme wit his lightsaber berry berry bad and kill her.
Anakin: NNOOOO!!! <Kills Jar-jar, his journey to the darkside complete>
Hmmm, more like redemption.
Star Wars is just a movie?
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You mean, I’m not going to be joining Wraith Squadron any time soon?
Tattooine was an easy pick since it ties in with IV so well. Unless Shmi (Anakin’s mother) was later transported from your other planet to Tattooine Lucas wouldn’t have had the “Uncle Owen” angle to bring Luke up in.
I have yet to hear someone who liked this bit. In the commentary to ep. I Lucas says he wanted to work this into the earlier films. I sort of doubt it. My guess is that Lucas threw this in as a counter to the many religious conotations people tagged the original series with.
Episode I was meant to be Padmè’s story. We did get a lot of Anakin background but: a) there was supposed to be a good bit of mystery about the boy, b) there is only so much you can do with a child actor. Without Naboo (or some other locale) you get rid of Palpatine’s opening moves–goodbye plot.
David Brin has a solution that neatly ties everything up (well, except for the [sub]midichlorians[/sub]):
Obi-Wan and Anakin/Vader are in cahoots. Think about it: in EPIV, Vader knows perfectly well who Leia is (how else could he interrogate her and never detect the Force?), and that he’s above his own home planet where Luke and Obi-Wan are. He also knows R2-D2 and C-3PO’s significance but gives orders that escape pods that show no life signs are to be ignored. On Tatooine, Obi-Wan pretends not to recognize R2-D2, C-3PO, or Leia for that matter, and lies about Luke’s father. He also fails to mention that Leia is Luke’s sister. On the Death Star, Vader and Obi-Wan stage a light saber fight, conveniently distracting the guards and allowing everyone else to escape. In the climactic battle, Vader goes down into the trench, forcing the turbolaser batteries to shut off, and tells his wingmen to back off. This gives Luke a clear shot. Not detecting Han above him? Puh-leeze! Vader knew Han was there all along and conveniently positioned his ship so that it would be knocked harmlessly out of the way.
Why the big conspiracy? Well, in EPI it’s clear that the Republic was failing. In EPII, it’s shown that the Jedi are ineffectual as well. The alternative represented by Palpatine was not appealing either. The only solution was to use Palpatine to tear down the Republic and clear away the Jedi, then use Luke and Leia in turn to bring down the Empire. Too bad we won’t see what they planned to replace the Empire with.
I think one of the few good things about Episode I was the introduction of midichlorians.
I know I’m in the minority on this, but I like the idea.
Correction. We must see the naked death of Padme.
Terminus Est, I read David Brin’s commentary a long time ago. Thanks for reminding me now that he has the AOTC comments up to peruse.
From my perspective, there is one ending that would truly satisfy me and will never ever ever ever ever ever be done. Vader is the real good guy and Yoda, Obi-Wan and the Jedi council are the real enemies. This would work for a number of reasons that Brin suggested.
But of even larger import is this: it would twist the entire series around. It would make it so that first time viewers could watch 1-6 OR 4-6,1-3 and still be surprised. We would be forced to reexamine the entire series from scratch. I think it would be a brilliant move.
I like Brin’s solution, but it’s never going to happen. One more supporting factor for it though - remember Vader didn’t destroy Alderan, Tarkin did. Vader even argued against it (weakly) and looked pained when it happened. So he didn’t kill billions, not yet.
And speaking of Alderan, it has to be in Ep. III. Remember Leia’s message to Obi-Wan mentions that he helped her father in the Clone Wars, and I’m sure she doesn’t mean Anakin.
I don’t think Vader knows about the twins at all. I’m sure he would have researched who it was who blew up the Death Star - and who had the Force. When he found Luke’s name was Skywalker (good hiding, that) he could easily have found out the relationship.
My guess is that Anakin does not kill Padme, but that Palpatine sets up her murder (after the twins were born), perhaps when Anakin is with Obi-Wan on Alderan. Learning of the murder, possibly pinned on the Jedi, would be a better reason for him to finish the Jedi off and go to the dark side. After the volcano fight, Obi-Wan could drop Leia off at Alderan, the king of which owes him a favor, and drop Luke off at his uncle’s. My guess is that the last scene will be the baby Luke, with some dialog about him being their new hope.
I never bought the whole ‘conceived by the force’ thing. Watch Ep. I again (just don’t blame me for the pain) and watch Schmi’s face when Qui-Gon questions hers about Anakin. She’s a lying heifer! I think the Emperor was making booty calls just outside the Republic’s borders in order to make an apprentice the old fashioned way. I just can’t decide if it was blind luck or master plan that the Jedi found Anakin first.
I also think Lucas is setting the Jedi up to look like idiots on purpose. Maybe their arrogant nature is what finished them all, or at least allowed the Sith to flourish. Mace at the end of Ep. I couldn’t even conceive of there being Sith still around, and Qui-Gon was surprised that anyone could attack him using Force training. Its like Lucas is saying they got what they deserved.
The way I see Ep. III happening is that the Jedi disown Anakin for the marriage, he flips a bit, and Padme runs. The Emperor is able to detect the Force-enable babies, as is Yoda. It then becomes a race to find Padme, which the Jedi win. Palpy turns Anakin loose on the Jedi who have taken his bride, with good results for the Empire. OB1 shows up to stop him, big fight ensues, and Anakin ends up using electronic Depends for the rest of his career.
Meanwhile Yoda decides to separate the twins, who are born on Dagobah (remember Luke thinks the place is familiar - I would expect Force kids to have exceptional memories) Bail Organa leaves with Leia BEFORE Obi-Wan arrives on Dagobah, thus ensuring that OB1 does not know there where twins. Obi takes Luke to Tattoine, knowing Anakin’s feeling about his homeworld.
Palpy rehabs Anakin, dubs him Darth, and proceeds to wipe the rest of the Jedi out.
Stage set for EP. IV
and geez, WSLer, you DO complain a lot.
Is anyone else expecting episode 3.5?
Yeah, I’m thinking there’ll be more movies. Not enscessarily an Episode 3.5 (although the thought did occur to me yesterday while reading the above solutions) but I can see Lucas continuing the StarWars universe in much the same way he did in 1984/85 with the two Exok movies. While I admit these were kiddy-fare and not aimed at the more mature fans, is it so impossible to imagine a movie featuring young Boba Fett growing up, or a series of short films (a La Young Indiana Jones Chronicles) that details aspects of the StarWars universe?
We’d see an ep featuring life of a Tuscan Raiders -in the syle of a NatGeo doco, or a detective thriller set on Coruscant, and an investigation of political shenanigans on Alderaan pre-Ep1.
But then I’m probably just fantasising about StarWars being able to survive beyond Ep3, much the same way the Bond franchise has (somewhat questionably) continued ad infinitum.
thoughts?
Not quite, IIRC: “When I first met your father, he was already an excellent pilot.” He did say they fought in the clone wars, but not when they first met. Of course, he was a lying bastard anyway, from a certain point of view.
Oh, and for the record, Leia remembering her mother was from ROTJ, and Luke specifically said, “Your REAL mother.” But of course, she might have thought a foster mother was her real mother anyway. (Perhaps one of Padme’s handmaidens?)
Will Lucas be able to resist making a few more $billions from ep. 7? The comment about restoring balance to the Galaxy seems to imply some more episodes later, since Luke certainly didn’t do it by the end of Ep. 6. I suppose they’d have to steer around the books, but 3 movies about the next generation could do that.