I appreciate the sharing of the speculation but given that Rose had to cease her existence/manifestation as Rose for her gem to be part of Steven I do not think that could be it. Even if you had the other three gems all breed with humans there would still only be four of them.
The second part though … may be on to something I think. Steven essentially is a fusion … of Rose’s gem and Greg. And fusions, at least desired willing fusions, we have seen, are much more than the sum of their parts.
The parallel potentially follows through with the other gems and Beach City to some degree: they had, before Greg entered the scene, been keeping themselves separate from the human culture around them. Through the show we see them increasingly becoming part of the community and maybe eventually they will be shown to be stronger as a unit together?
But if that is the theme they are going for then my foreshadowing idea with Sadie’s Song is pretty much toast.
Something subtle I noticed in We Need To Talk, remember the song What Can I Do For You with the lyrics “what can I do, that no one else can do” which inspires the jealous Pearl to fuse with Rose to annoy Greg? Well Greg ends up doing what no other gem like Pearl can do with Rose which was to produce Steven.
Hello all, I found this forum while Googling something completely unrelated. After perusing the information I was looking for I poked around a bit and found this thread relevant to my interests, so I signed up. I looked for an “Intro Thread” like some forums have but found no such thing, so I decided to just proceed on here. If I missed it, and someone feels like pointing me in the right direction, that would be great.
That being said, I’m like one of the other posters on page one that is a childless adult who still enjoys his cartoons. It appears I have missed a bit of the newer episodes, but I don’t mind spoilers much so nothing was ruined for me. The last episode I watched(can’t remember title) was the one in which Garnet was still fuming at Pearl for tricking her into continually fusing into Sardonyx, but eventually cooled off after splitting down to Ruby and Sapphire and letting each half deal with it in their own way. I’ll have to play some catch up when I can get to the episodes I missed.
I really enjoy the presentation of the show, it reminds me of the Nick cartoons of my youth in the sense that they can be innocent at times but also straddle the line of dark humor that may or may not be appropriate for kids.
So the forced fusions we have seen are not the goal of the cluster experiment, they are failures or just proofs of concept or just incidentally produced. The Cluster is something very different with the ability to destroy earth, I’m wondering if it is some godzilla sized fusion monstrosity intended to just be let loose and randomly destroy stuff or if it is some kind of planet buster bomb or something.
And at this point are we meant to believe the normal size for gems is Peridot size? Ruby, Sapphire, Lapis, Peridot, Amethyst, and Centipeedle’s humanoid shape when it reformed are all around Steven’s size.
Rose, Jasper, and Pearl are the odd ones out. And Pearl is tall but skinny, it appears Rose and Jasper are freakishly large for gems. Wondering if Rose was originally a warrior like Jasper.
I think perhaps it was more Rose was the leader. There is some intimation that Gem society might be rigidly caste-based, yes? Perhaps physical stature correlates to societal position. The bigger you are, the more important you are. Think back to the episode where Greg flashbacks to when he first met the Gems. They are notably smaller than they are in the present day. They appear to age noticeably in the span of a few years, despite being evidently thousands of years old. And the only thing to change in that span is that Rose, their leader, is gone. It would seem that, for Gems, the phrase “you’re only as old as you feel” is literal truth.
Although the fusions get huge despite not being leaders … just powerful.
But yes, it does seem that the other Gems have had to both emotionally (and thus physically?) grow up some without Rose there. Not that size correlates with emotional maturity for Gems either.
I think it might just be a reference to the episode that Lion was introduced. Steven walks into the pizza place and says he’s ordering for two. Reynaldo says “Steven’s pregnant!”
And then when they think Steven is lying about Lion, the scene ends with “I bet he’s not even pregnant.”
Ah I missed that connection, thanks!
Anyone else find Greg acts weird and is treated weird by everyone including Steven?
I mean when Greg turned Steven over to the custody of the gang he had no powers, not even a promise of having powers in the future. But they were still dragging him along on adventures cleaning up the feral beasts still out there, and the gems had no experience in child rearing not even the observational skill childless people get by osmosis. There are hints in the early episodes Greg is a mess since Rose died but you’d think all the more reason he needs Steven in his life.
What the hell Greg? And when Greg tells a white lie to spend time with Steven in the geode episode Steven gets so angry he basically banishes him, WTH? And the whole thing with the gems hating Greg introduced in the early episodes, which is shown to not even be true except for scorned Pearl. Greg and Pearl need to both suck it up buttercup and let Greg live in the house with Steven.
I’m wondering if the house wasn’t originally built for Greg to live in, we’re shown that Rose’s room can’t create edible food or drink and Gems don’t need to use the bathroom. Where did Greg and Rose live?
It is a testament to this show that it invites this kind of analysis.
I like th way you think, crude, but we know from the special long-form opening theme song that Greg and the Gems worked together to build the house for Steven when Steven was already old enough to play the ukulele.
There’s a lot of…complicated stuff with Greg and the Gems.
The episode where Amethyst and Greg marathon watch Baby Butler (Lil Butler?) in the storage space, you find out that they used to spend A LOT of time together. Greg breaks down when Amethyst shapeshifts into Rose…there is some heavy stuff. If it were an adult show there’s some subtle storytelling that would make you think that Amethyst and Greg spent the night together post-Rose–mourning…maybe drunk. But it’s a kids show… so you’re not quite sure what to think.
Pearl’s relationship with Greg is obviously all through the prism of jealousy.
Garnet is largely indifferent and/or condescending to all humans. Greg is no different.
I think the Gems took stewardship of Steven at an early age because even if he had no powers he still had a gem and needed watching over.
I saw the whole Lil’ Butler incident as a thinly veiled pot metaphor.
Currently, I guess I was wrong about Periodot being beyond redemption- Now I think it will be revealed that she is a very young Gem, possibly even younger than Steven. This explains a lot of her behavior- created as an adult with adult knowledge, but emotionally still a child, and without true experience. Also, my prediction for her character arc is that when Yellow Diamond shows up, she will provide replacement limb enhancers, and Periodot will return to her service- but quickly realize where her true loyalties are, possibly even abandoning her new limbs to save the others.
I honestly did not know what to think of the Lil’ Butler ep, and if anything seeing it as a sexual metaphor has become even CREEPIER since the reveal that when Greg met the Gems Ame was at the level of a toddler or young child.:eek:
I think in my head I am choosing to assume Ame was her usual crass self and trying to cheer Greg up she surprised him in Rose’s form after Rose uh died, and Greg was instead shocked and appalled and that is the source of the falling out. She shows a lack of sensitivity like making kidnapping jokes an hour after it happened for instance.
Ironically in the Cat Fingers incident where Steven lost control of shape shifting it was Greg who saved him.
There is a short line in Catch And Release that has made me come up with a dark theory, when Peridot is unbubbled in the room with the giant heart she sees all the bubbled gems and asks fearfully is they are going to “harvest” her.
Now this might just mean use her gem to power an object, like we saw with Lapis. But what if the Gems are using power from all the bubbled gems to power the temple somehow, harvesting their power or something? Maybe this is not fatal or injurying, but how would Steven react to learning the temple is powered by all those bubbled gems?
Is the temple a spaceship? Smaller than the one the handship came from obviously, but it also has the veins and a heart in it.
So, last night was another light episode that confirms much speculation-
Confirmed- Gems are a strict caste-based society
Confirmed- Multiple copies of each gem type exist
Confirmed- Pearl is a low caste servant Gem - (and status symbol, apparently)
Confirmed- Periodot is a technician type.
This really explains Rose’s videotaped message to Steven in Lion 3- as a living thing, Steven is outside the Gem system and gets to be a blank slate and a unique individual, unlike Gems.
In addition, Periodot continues to show that she has little real experience and is quite naive, but capable of growth.
Make you wonder what the others are designed for, and how far out of their fields they are operating. Rose was obviously a high status leader type, and Pearl her servant.
Ruby, seems to be a warrior type- but if that is so, why is she so small? Sapphires probably serves as advisers or strategists, given the future vision.
Multiple copies exist for at least some gems. Which we already knew given the Kindergarten. Pearls inclusive. We do not know whether or not there are multiple Rose Quartz gems or multiple Yellow Diamonds …
Ruby is small but then Amethyst is clearly a not large warrior.
A little apparent contradiction in the show … it sure seems like Amethyst has physically grown from the flashbacks to now but at Kindergarten she fit into the “me-shaped” hole.
Also confirmed this ep is that ep’s theme repeated. Disagreeing that only Steven gets to be a unique individual, unlike the other gems. The subversiveness of Earth and its impact on Rose was that who they each are are as gems is not ordained by their gem type. Amethyst was created as a “mistake” and grew to become something much more. Pearl has become more than a low caste pretty status symbol but both a skilled fighter and a skilled technician. Steven’s impact more than anything is to catalyze that ability to change, to grow in ways not part of original “programming.”
In that vein multiples of the same gems I wonder if the disaster that was Steven and the Stevens is a bit telling. The Rose quartz gem is I suspect unique.
I will join in the request to please keep anything you read out of the book or reviews of it out of this thread.
It so far is made clear that how the gems live on earth is very different than how they lived on home world. But it is also clear from Lapus that over the past thousands of years home world society has changed too … obviously in a different direction.
Though now that such is mentioned one cannot help but wonder - when did Ruby and Sapphire fuse? After the war?
