Stop being the expert [famous people and political views]

Well here’s the thing about Fame. Once you have it, you exist in the spotlight and everything you say and do can be reported somewhere. You completely surrender all privacy. Gone.

So when you’re famous and the paparazzi are following you around trying to get a word or a picture, you can pretty much say anything you want and it’ll be reported, right?

So well, they don’t really have a ‘right’ to speak out so much as it is part of fame.

Many of us have political opinions — even this quote by you is such an opinion — and would happily present them to a wider audience if we could. The validity or intelligence of those opinions is variable, but actors tend to be intelligent, perceptive, and good at communication.

The comparison confuses me. Do you think Trump is better informed than a typical actor? Are celebrities unable to “touch on issues like jobs, healthcare”?

If we were able to follow your recommendation, intended to limit the public speechof the poorly informed, the grossly unqualified short-fingered showman would have been unable to run for President.

I mean, I don’t think the OP wants to limit public speech. S/he is only expressing annoyance. We aren’t obligated to be overjoyed every time someone wants to share an opinion.

Do these pesky celebrities come barging into your house and talk your ear off about their politics? Are they on every single tv channel yakking away? Are they featured in every single magazine and newspaper, on line or in the real world, taking up all the space, giving their opinions on things? Do they sit down next to you at work, or at lunch, or on a plane, espousing their opinions on things? If not, take a hint and do what I do - ignore celebrities and their opinions. You are not legally obligated to pay the Flavor of the Month the slightest mind.

The actor who spoke those lines to Pence plays VP Aaron Burr in the play, who had a little contretemps with Hamilton. :wink:

The reaction would be different if NFL players for example were protesting the anthem because they were ashamed America aborts a million babies every year. Or if the cast of Hamilton called out Biden for supporting the mass surveillance and security state. There’s some partisan motivated reasoning in these complaints since most celebrities and athletes tend to be to the left. The right is frustrated because they have mostly been unable to pull off this sort of social proof demonstration. The left regularly makes fun of the right for being unable to get top shelf celebrities to support them. Witness the derision over the RNC z-listers.

There’s some merit to both the ideas that entertainment should be escapist fantasy and that politics is too important to ignore.

If reality TV show hosts seek and obtain election to public office, I don’t see what’s so dreadful about actors, musicians and writers offering opinions as to how they should conduct themselves.

The problem with your last line is that you are saying it was OK for Trump to use his celebrity to speak out because (after the fact) he has been proven to have stuck to what he knows, because he won. But if “ultimately being proven right” means it was OK for Trump to use his celebrity to gain an audience, then by that reasoning you shouldn’t have a problem with other celebrities doing the same thing, unless they are ultimately proven wrong. Prior to running his campaign, many thought Trump didn’t know what he was doing and would utterly fail. Did you get tired of him then?

Nah, nice try but nah. The “I’ve touched a nerve” gambit is IME invariably used to imply that there is some sensitivity of the listener that has caused them to (over)react, but in reality *the speaker *has said something idiotic or obnoxious, and it is that (rather than any sensitivity of the listener) which has caused the listener to react strongly.

If you didn’t know this, now you do. If you did know it, stop being disingenuous.

I guess you’ve taught me a lesson, if you find my posts idiotic and obnoxious then simply don’t read them.

Yeah, I get it now. I admit being whooshed. I haven’t seen the play, but I should have remembered my American history.

The vast majority of them are as stupid as a box of rocks, yet people hang on their every word.

Sadly, though, it is their right to be stupid in public. The problem is the stupid people who listen to them and think they are smart.

For me, it depends on the venue. I said in the Hamilton thread, if I’m at a concert or show, I’m really not interested in your political opinion. I just want to see a performance.

But if Lady Gaga wants to go out on her own time and spout politics, that’s fine. I can ignore that. And if Clint Eastwood wants to go off at the GOP convention, also fine. I can ignore that, too.

That may happen but as it is I don’t know you well enough to assume anything about your posts.

Can’t say it bothers me. At a performance, it’s their stage and one of the benefits of having a stage is that you get to speak from it. I suppose that, if I went to a concert and all the musician did was talk about politics, I’d be upset but I’d also be upset if the musician spent the time reading from a cookbook as well. That’s not something that happens though and someone spending 3-5 minutes on a topic they feel is important just doesn’t bother me that much. Even less so in a situation like the Hamilton show where the statement came after the conclusion of the performance so it’s not as though anyone was being deprived of what they came to see. It was value-added! :smiley:

Stuff like celebrities talking on Twitter, on talk shows, etc doesn’t even register. Just don’t follow along if it bothers you. I’d personally find it more interesting than the usual fluff of “Oh, this album is really important to me and everyone who worked on it was great” or photos of their crowds.

I think you may have missed Little Nemo’s real point. By a lot.

Thanks, this bears repeating - you said it better than I did.

If you find disagreement with your opinions unpalatable, then don’t solicit the views of others. See, we could do this forever.

What’s at issue is whether opinions have merit, not the nature of people’s reactions. If you want a worthwhile debate, focus on the former not the latter.

What is your expertise, sir (or madam, I really have no idea)? Since you feel you have the right to hold forth on topics in a public forum?

Or maybe they do it because they feel strongly about something. Have you considered that?

Nonsense. Many celebrities are followed just because people find fame fascinating, and many celebrities are followed because people find their views and opinions interesting.

By the way the thread so far it appears at least one doper does. You be the judge of whether you enjoy his company. Most dopers are a lot more tired of the constant drone of people going “You’re just an actor, stick to acting.”

I thought you found disagreement with my opinions unpalatable. I agree, this could go on forever and I would rather it not.