Quick, somebody notify Left Behind. The End of the World is imminent!!! 
*Originally posted by Captain Amazing *
First thanks for being civil in the pit. I will try also.
I may have misunderstood the OP but after reading this I don’t think so:
{quote] But I don’t listen to country music to listen to the Gospel, so I’d rather you took it elsewhere - like, maybe a Christian rock station. Yes, I’ll be changing the channel, but it still irks me nonetheless.
[/quote]
This is what I saw and so I thought I would compare it back to something he obviously cares about.
I think that reaching a little from what I read.
I think they are got what they got what they deserved for the way they lived. I have met atheist that believe in carma of some sort.
[quote[4. It suggests that converting people to Christianity is a good thing[/quote]
There is nothing wrong with that matter of fact it is Christian’s job.
[quote[5. The song is poorly written and overly emotional.[/quote]
We are talking about a country song here are we not? And he expects something different? :rolleyes:
Just give me some time. How about being referred to as fundie or a geezer for starters. How would like he like it if I referred to his homosexuality as being a faggots and homos(which I don’t and never have). BTW I do not want this to get into that I condem homosexuals or don’t like esprix because he gay because that is not it all. I respect many gay poster(freyr & coldfire for example sometimes even goboy 
) that don’t act like a jerkwods about being gay and are generally nice and fair people. Esprix on the otherhand is like the Jesse Jackson of the homosexual community. Enough already.
You know what I think it trite ironic about this? Is that when you have a difference of opinion with Esprix he takes you where? That’s right “THE PIT” to get flamed. The staight dope atheist versian of hell. But he gets mad at Christians that tell and warn him about what is in the Bible he gets mad. Why doesn’t he understand that Christians really believe in a literal Hell (even if y’all don’t please understand from a Christians perspective) and don’t want him or anyone to go there.
And Poly,
I never said he attacked Christians like you and Gator but he has said some rather negative things about Christians in general. And I apologize for being a bad witness to God and everyone on this board. After being called stupid for my opinion and what I believe so many times it just built up and I exploded.
And PL I don’t much care for Ben either or least some of his thoughts. You see I really don’t dislike Esprix (matter of fact sometimes I like his thoughts) either I just don’t care for some of his thoughts. To bad people like you, ben, esprix and 2nd law can’t do the same thing. Just dislike or disagree with the thoughts of a person and not the person in general.
Um. The last season of Ellen?
-
Coldfire is quite emphatically not gay. NTTAWWT.
-
I would dislike you whether you were Christian, Buddhist, Muslim or Pink Unicornian. I don’t suffer fools gladly.
Really, Esprix, you hit upon a BIG pet peeve of mine. If I want to hear preaching I’ll turn on one of the jump for Jesus channels. That’s what they’re there for.
There’s nothing wrong with a song including good ol’ Christian values or talking about God or Jesus. But, when the song’s main focus seems to be that non-Christian = cousin marrying, drug dealing, beer swilling, wife beating, dog raping, shanty living, child abusing people and Christian = so good and perfect and angelic that they’re lucky to have the law of gravity or they’d just float on up to heaven - it really should be reserved for the stations that cater to the people that feel that way.
I was raised Catholic, but at this stage in my life I’m not exactly sure what I believe and I resent having someone else’s values shoved down my throat. As a I’m-not-really-sure-if-I’m-Christian-or-what I resent being publicly told by some holier than thou singer on the radio that I am an awful person and will be a child abusing parent when I have children. – Yes, I CAN (and DO) change the channel when I hear something like that, but I still have the right to get pissy about it if I want to.
There’s a time and a place for everything. And, I really don’t believe that a commerical radio station with a country music format is the place for this type of song.
“Trite ironic” – an excellent summation of the thread. WB is trite and Esprix is ironic.
Woohoo! I got me a new sig! The cranially challenged are so good to provide them 
–
O p a l C a t
www.opalcat.com
I think they are got what they got what they deserved for the way they lived. - Wildest Bill, in a moment of inspired genius
ROFLMAO!!!
Just out of mild curiosity, Bill, what made you think Coldfire is gay?
pldennison said:
You are of course correct. I was fishing for the proper terminology during a late-night post… and obviously came up with a bad catch. I am aware of the distinction, but unfortunately did not take the time to find the right words to express it. Thank you for the clarification.
I’m gay?
My goodness, I never knew. Esprix, matt_mcl, Hastur, goboy: I think it’s time for that Secret Innitiation Session now. I’ll bring the country boots with spurs
Wildest Bill whined:
Dammit, you’ve found us out. Now that everybody knows, there goes my meal ticket. Thanks for ruining a good thing, Bill.
How are you going to break this to your girlfriend? I’m sure that she’s going to be just as surprised as you are.
And WB:
My GOODNESS, that’s a nice Christian attitude you have there. And it’s spelled karma, and no, you haven’t. An atheist, by definition, doesn’t believe in karma.
[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Wildest Bill *
Well, no, the OP states in one of his objections from the song that one of his problems with the song is that the girl’s parents are doing what they do because they’re not Christians. The Christian foster parents seem to have a perfect life and love the little girl
They may have gotten what they deserved, and I’m sure that you’ll find people who agree with you, but, I think the complaint was with that kind of simplistic morality…that if you’re good, good things will happen, and if you’re bad, bad things will happen. You and I both know that life isn’t always that simple. Sometimes good things happen to bad people, or bad things happen to good people.
[quote[4. It suggests that converting people to Christianity is a good thing
There is nothing wrong with that matter of fact it is Christian’s job.[/quote]
You might believe that, but Esprix doesn’t, and, I’d assume, doesn’t like people trying to convert him. If you’d like an analogy, let’s assume there were these Buddhists who were always trying to convert you…to make you Buddhist. They might be decent people, and you might not have anything against Buddhism, but you’ll get tired of them trying to convert you. You sound like you’re happy being Christian, and I think that’s great, but at the same time, Esprix seems happy being UU, and I think that’s great too. He probably doesn’t want to change his religion any more than you do, and, just as a note, it’s really hard to change the mind of somebody who’s satisfied with something. If you talk to somebody who’s secure in his or her beliefs and is happy with them, you’re probably not going to change their mind about them.
[quote[5. The song is poorly written and overly emotional.
We are talking about a country song here are we not? And he expects something different? :rolleyes: [/quote]
I have a friend who’s a big fan of country, and he’s gotten me liking it, and, there are some country songs that are really well written, and that succeed in what they’re trying to say.
I got rid of your BTW, BTW. Fundie and Jeezer do seem like hurtful terms, and if he used them, he probably shouldn’t have, and I hope you don’t think I’m approving of his use of those terms. As a side note, “fundie”, doesn’t refer to Christians as a whole, but to fundimentalist Christians, which make up a minority of Christianity.
Well, first of all, some Christians don’t believe in a literal hell. But for those individuals like yourself who do, I don’t think anybody here (at least I hope not) thinks that you have anything but the best intentions in trying to get people to convert. However, as I stated above, for those people who have as much faith in their beliefs as you do yours, the attempt to belittle those beliefs, or to say they’re worthless, will upset them. I can see that some of the things that were said in this thread and others upset you a great deal, because you felt that people were making fun of you because of what you believed, or saying your beliefs were stupid, and I’m sorry that happened. However, I think the anger you were feeling was the same kind of anger that Esprix, and PLDennison, and a bunch of other people were feeling when they read your posts, because they felt that you didn’t care about THEIR beliefs. I hope that you understand what I’m saying, and that this isn’t an attack on you personally, or, for that matter on what you believe.
I heard this one today.
Stupid. stupid. song.
Some little girl goes into a shoestore and asks the clerk to please hurry up and help her. Mommy is in the hospital and going to see Jesus tonight and needs a new pair of shoes to see him in as a Christmas present before she dies, but she doesn’t have a lot of money.
What a ridiculous tear-jerker.
Perhaps, except the strawman you built isn’t really strong enough to resist much of a wind, let alone a fart.
The point in question is not so much the playing of Christian music on a country station as the blatant misrepresentation of a specific group of people. In this case, painting atheists as drug-using ne’er-do-goods who only end up killing one another. In order for your argument to tie in, the dialogue of a TV show would have to be something like:
Judge: “So, Mr. Defense Attorney, how does your client plead?”
Attorney: “Guilty, your Honor - he’s a homosexual - and we all know that them thar homos are nothing but drunkards, drug-users, killers, rapists, and stomp video makers.”
However, your post didn’t do such a thing, so there you go.
i had heard that song a few nights ago, a lady at the nursing home where i work had the song playing on her radio, while i was making her roomate’s bed.
i listened a bit, and then thought ‘this is like being hit with a sledgehammer that is wrapped in a bible.’
i know that christians are to go forth and witness, but it was as if it felt that it was almost like someone was trying to pickle my brain in a treacly syrup mixed with heavy sedatives and a cross or three.
Scylla said:
A friend of mine mentioned that song to me the other day, asking if I’d heard it (I haven’t – I don’t listen to much radio). He said it was on his regular pop radio station. He also said that when he heard it, he thought it was a Christmas parody and just kept waiting for the punchlines. When they didn’t come, he was amazed.
Coldfire,
For some reason I must have read a post wrong or interpreted interpreted something wrong and I apologize.
Woo-hoo! One toaster oven coming right up!
WB, I think you are an amiable cuss, and you have taken a great deal of guff. However, don’t think you’re getting picked on because of your fundamentalist beliefs. I work with two rabid fundies; one I like immensely because he’s a kind, friendly, and entertaining person, but the other I can’t stand because he’s an immature jerk. I don’t care what people believe, but I do care how they behave.
Your Christian witness needs some work. Remember Luke 6:27-28, “Love thy enemies; do good to them that hate thee,
bless them that curse thee, and pray for them that injure thee.” Letting yourself get bent out of shape over a few names is not a good witness for your faith. When Jesus was nailed to the cross, He said, “Father, forgive them, they know not what they do.” Can you do any less? And don’t say, “Well, I’m only human.” Remember that you are indwelt by the Holy Spirit and you can do all things through Christ who strengthens you. (Phil. 4:13)
Honestly, how can you possibly expect to convert a Godless creature like me if you let mortal passions interfere with carrying out the Great Commission? (Matt. 28:19-20)
And to address the OP, because country music arose from the Scoth-Irish settlers of the Appalachians, rabid Protestants to a man, Christianity and country music have always been deeply intertwined. Any country singer worth his salt can go from singing about shooting a man in Reno just to watch him die to singing about the church in the valley where he first learned to pray.