Call me cuckoo, but whenever I watch Cinemax after a certain hour, I see flicks that seem to have all the elements the OP is hungering for. The characters share intimacy (as the OP seems to define it), there’s setup, the nudity is there but its tame relative to hard-core porn. They have female-on-female action thrown in, too.
Am I missing something here? Why are people talking about the OP’s idea as if he’s proposing a radical idea that is not in existence currently? I’m lost. Someone find me.
That’s exactly what I’ve been thinking.
I dunno, he claims it doesn’t currently exist and that he’s taken an extensive survey of the lesbian porn industry, so I took him at his word.
And what you aren’t getting here is that you are defining what is “correct” and what is not. It’s as absurd as saying that only Pink Floyd is “correct” or that Spice Girls are “wrong.” Bubblegum pop is bubblegum pop. While I don’t listen to it, who am I to say that 12-year-old girls are wrong, or those who like boy bands are incorrect? I may mock their taste, but those records sell.
But there are obviously masses of humanity who do make a connection to it. Enough so that it’s driving a multibillion dollar industry. As Bryan E and others point out, the point of porn, at this stage, at least, seems to be different than building a connection.
You’ve got two separate requirements for Better Porn[sup]TM[/sup]. First, it’s got to be intimacy and second it’s got to be two girls. The fact that intimacy is, perhaps, unnecessary, is better addressed by Bryan E, so I’ll let you respond to his arguments rather than repeat them here. Let’s look at the later point, where you completely lose me. Can you look in the mirror? Do you see yourself? Yes? Good. That’s you. Can you see me or am I just more pixels on your monitor (that’s an inside joke, so you won’t get it if you haven’t been lurking around for a while)? At any rate, you have absolutely no idea what kind of porn I, as a straight man, am interested in.
As noted by Cervaise above,
and ignored by you, having two women go at it ** does not** do it for some guys. It takes some people out of the moment, in the same way you say that unrealistic porn does for you. Your insistence in linking the two arguments undercuts them both.
Enjoying intimacy in real life is vastly different than wanting to see it in porn. I get my intimacy from my wife, and highly enjoy it. However, when my reptile brain sees a hot twenty-three girl with gorgeous legs and a micro-skirt barely hiding her privates, then my first thought is not to take her shopping for curtains, to use another poster’s example. (Note to TokyoWife, this discussion is entirely hypothetical and I would never, ever want to take anyone else shopping for curtains. Honest!) Porn, for many if not most, is clicking into this part of the brain, and many just want to cut to the action.
You’re wrong that intimacy is not a taste, because showing intimacy in porn or not is a taste, and second, how intimacy is shown is certainly subject to taste. Showing someone licking another’s stomach will be highly erotic to some, but an impetus to hit the fast forward button for others.
You are assuming that we don’t understand you. I think differently, we do understand what you are saying, but some of us simply don’t agree with you.
And also that he wants this in hard core porn, which, from my very limited understanding, seems to be a different case than soft core.
The thing is I would actually enjoy Softcore porn if it was filmed in a realistic way, and involved two girls that were convincing. I don’t even need to see vaginas, or pussy licking, even though I would prefer it. The problem with softcore is it’s always so “artsy fartsy” for a lack of a better word. It’s fluff. It’s lame. That and the girls always look like life sized barbies. I don’t see how women enjoy this.
My ideas are to bring “romance” for men. What do guys find sexy, outside of sex? Do we like being smothered with gifts and flowers? Do we enjoy it when a girl blows 300 bucks to take us out to some fancy dinner that neither of you really enjoy? No, we receive affection by physical, visual, and emotional connections. We love it when a girl smiles at us. We love it when a girl can make us laugh, and you share the same sense of humor. We love it when your girlfriend is simply lying on the bed asleep, and you swear she’s the most beautiful creature alive. It’s these things that can make women so great.
Should I feel horrible for wanting this? Am I really looking for a replacement girlfriend? Well, answer this. Are you horrible for enjoying the company of actors on your favorite TV show? Should you feel strange for considering some fictional character a “friend”? No, because they can’t, and never will replace your real friends. But that doesn’t mean for the hour a week they’re on the TV, you can’t enjoy their company.
And then one day the TV show goes off the air, and the characters are gone forever. While this may make you a little sad, you realize that there was nothing really there, and life goes on. It was simply a TV Show, after all.
I’m a woman who would consider having sex with another woman in the right situation (right person/right place/right time). I say that just to make it clear that it isn’t that the idea of girl-on-girl action doesn’t interest me. But… girl-on-girl porn tends to be the most boring thing in the world. I just don’t enjoy watching it. There isn’t enough to it. I’d be bored out of my skull watching two girls working up to it and then finally doing girlsex. And I can’t imagine that there aren’t men who would feel the same way. Seeing girl on girl stuff for short intervals is one thing; extended scenes? snore
Once again you assume that all straight men feel the way you do. There are men who want dinner at five star restaurants and to be smothered in flowers and gifts.
I’m not (and I don’t think anyone is) about to call you horrible, but I am entirely tempted to engage in relentless mockery. I’ll boil it down to just saying you’re not displaying sufficient expertise to say what “we” as men like or don’t like. Feel free to bankroll the production and marketing of a romance-for-men porn flick (that doesn’t actually have any men in it) and please report the results.
I’d like to add that the movie won’t count as a financial success if all 10,000 copies are bought by you personally.
I used them as examples. However I think there are some universal things that women do outside of sex and nudity that drive men wild.
I mean, c’mon, you said you watched 30 Rock. Don’t tell me for a second that when you see Tina Fey on the screen with her boyfriend, and they’re making each other laugh, you don’t get jealous? Do you really not find her personality sexy? I remember in a scene where she’s in the bedroom, wearing boxers (I think) and she says something so funny, cute, and adorable and yet somehow so incredibly sexy all at the same time, that it actually hurt to watch this asshole be with her and not me (even if it was just make believe).
I’m talking about little moments like this.
Well I never said you would enjoy it. I already admitted that many guys (and I’m sure most girls) don’t get off on lesbians.
I used lesbians as my example, because it makes the most sense to me. I don’t have some lesbian obsession. I’m not trying to force lesbians onto people who don’t find them arousing.
My ideas could work to please other people who desire intimacy. Obviously gay men would enjoy two guys, lesbians would enjoy two girls. The problem though is how do you please straight men or women that don’t get off on guy/guy or girl/girl scenes?
Well I have one possible solution. Let’s take a straight man who doesn’t like lesbian porn. Perhaps you could create some “simulated” interactions and sex scenes where the viewer plays the role of the camera man. And his hands are your hands, and his dick is your dick. That would work on some level, but really I think it would come off as awkward and silly. Especially when you look down and realize you’re not the one with the 12" cock.
If you’ve seen “Peep Show” (a British Comedy), you’ll know what I’m talking about. The entire show is filmed in first person perspective, and the camera switches from person to person. The most awkward part of the show is when the characters “kiss”, because it’s just basically putting the camera way too close to the girls face. It’s fairly interesting, but I don’t know if the idea would work in porn. Also when the camera starts to move around too quickly, you can experience vertigo. Hey, “vertigo porn”, I’m a genious!
12" cock? God I’d hope not. I can’t think of a single woman who would even consent to being in the same room with a man with a 12" cock let alone actually have sex with one.
Me, I don’t have a problem of feeling jealous of the partner of the person in my porn. I think probably most people don’t have a problem with it. I think you’re in the minority here.
And for what it’s worth, I can enjoy m/f, f/f, and m/m porn.
I think you’re going to have a hard time finding women who are both really good actresses and are willing to do hard-core porn.
There’s nothing universal about arousal - we can only talk of market segments that are large enough to make a specialized product profitable.
I can honestly say that while I’d like to hang out with and repeatedly bang Tina Fey’s character (I know nothing of Fey’s real life), it does not hurt me in the slightest to see her performing opposite a male character, even in a romantic context. I save my envy (not jealousy) for the writers who can clearly do comedy much better than I ever have or likely will.
That said, I can remember a time when I frequently did project myself into relationships, real and fictional, displacing the male figure within. I think I outgrew it.
Of course you don’t, because you’re not really connecting with anyone on screen. The approach I’m taking changes everything.
Let’s say there’s a guy at work that you’re interested in. He seems like a great guy so you would like to date him, but you know he’s not available right now. Since you think he’s hot, does that mean you would want to see him having very intimate sex with his girlfriend? Would that arouse you? Or would you get jealous?
For me seeing a girl I’m interested in fucking some guy in porn would be bad enough, but seeing her sexually intimate with a real guy would drive me crazy.
That’s the thing here, is I’m creating a simulated experience. This is no longer purely on the surface. So for the duration of the movie, you feel everything that’s going on, not just the sex. When they fall for each other, you fall for them. When they smile, giggle, and look into each other’s eyes, you feel all of it. And when they have deep, passionate, intimate sex, so are you.
But again, it’s just a simulation. When you cum, and the porn gets turned off, it’s all over. There’s no real intimacy, there’s no real infatuation. It was all make believe.
Thank God that my wife doesn’t feel the same. 
Oh, you didn’t say 1.2" cock. Sorry, carry on.
One way to test this would be too look and see if any man-woman porn is being sold. If it were being sold, then maybe there would be people out there who aren’t being bothered by it.
As is mentioned many times in this thread, and ignored by the OP each time.
And all of this to avoid your dislike of not having a guy in the scene.
Too subtle. He’s not going to get it.
Aldous Huxley wrote about this way back in 1932’s Brave New World. When you put your hands on two electric knobs at the “feelies”, it allowed you to feel sensations matching those of the characters onscreen. Later fiction writers describe virtual reality helmets that directly stimulate pain and pleasure centers and I assume the holodeck of Star Trek is the ultimate interactive simulation.
What technology did you have in mind for a real-life application?
Man-woman porn? That’ll never catch on. Men and women are too different.
Yeah this is true, but here are some things to consider.
There won’t be “dramatic acting”, there will be very little or no drama in this film. A lot of it will simply be little interactions between the girls. Because of this, a lot of dialogue could be improvised. I’ve seen this in a few lesbian films. Thursday Night Video has done this.
If you’ve seen the movie Elephant, you’ll know what I’m talking about. The director wanted to create an authentic feel of a high school, so he actually cast a bunch of high school kids with no acting experience. While you could tell sometimes, the scenes where the kids were just interacting with each other were very real. Because for the most part, they weren’t acting.
I think the biggest problem I’ll face is finding two girls that have real chemistry. This is just an idea, but maybe have them hang out some time, and see if they like each other. I think the sex scenes would be easier to fake than the social interactions. But yeah, they can’t just be completely grossed out by another girl going down on them. There’s no way you can hide that. I’ve seen this in porn and it becomes a very lifeless mess, even when both the girls are smoking hot.
I know that if I was in a caring, loving relationship right now that my desire for “good” porn would go down a lot. It’s not because my ideas here will change, it’s because I simply wouldn’t be watching porn as often to even give a shit. Just because you’re married doesn’t make you better than me. I could find the love of my life tomorrow, but you’d still be a condescending asshole.
I think that the original comment was made by someone else, but whatever.
The thing is that you have shown very, very little interest in considering the opinions of others and keep endlessly repeating your “It’s got to be intimate and it’s got to be lesbians.”
I may be an condescending asshole, but you’re boring me now.
No, I keep going into more detail and explaining it through new angles as to why I believe intimacy is important for porn, and why I think lesbians would work. I’m not repeating myself like some broken record. Also, I’ve branched off into many different categories, ones that I’ve stated many times can be applied to a wide variety of porn.
I honestly think it’s time to just let this thread just die. If anyone still has some serious questions to ask me then I’ll answer. However, this has already gone on way too long, and I don’t think there’s even a conversation still happening.
And yeah, I feel pretty silly getting so worked up over something like porn. I honestly think it’s a great idea right now, but who knows. Maybe I’ll look back on this in a year and think “what the hell was I thinking?”
Porn isn’t silly - it’s a multibillion dollar industry serving a strong human instinct and thus not likely to disappear anytime soon. What you’ve done is propose a subgenre (lesbian intimacy) that you call new and that will be extremely popular. We (or at least I) remain unconvinced that it’s new or has such potential. If you were considering pursuing this as an investment opportunity, I hope you’ll understand if I don’t join you.