Strong Bad's mask

For the uninitiated.

Strong Bad wears a Mexican wrestling mask. How do I know it’s a Mexican wrestling mask? Well, the Mexican part, I’m pretty sure I read in a description somewhere. That it’s a wrestling mask of some sort, I just . . . uhm . . . know.

How do I know it’s a westling mask? I’ve never watched professional wrestling, and I don’t think I’ve ever actually seen a wrestler wearing a mask like that. But I must have seen it somewhere to be able to (partially) identify it. And someone was able to identify it as a Mexican wrestling mask.

Where does this meme come from? Does anyone actually watch Mexican wrestling (outside of Mexico, that is)? Do they wear masks like that? If so, why? And how did this image enter US culture?

[StrongBad voice]Hey! Who’s this guy think he is-trying to post in a StrongBad style? I’ll have to call on Trogdor the Burninator to obliverate him! Oh, The Cheat?? I have a mission for you. Get it done before the paper runs down the top of the screen. OK, henchman?[/voice]

Isn’t there some TV cartoon with a school-full of Mexican Wrestler’s Kids, all getting ready to break into the business? Did you by any chance run across that? (Sorry I don’t have it’s title.)

If not, I have no clue how you know.

Lucha Libre (the Mexican style of professional wrestling) is a product of a culture in which the “sport” is treated as an art form rather than, say, the Japanese style in which the “sport” is treated as a real sport (with notable exceptions, mostly in the lighter, higher-flying wrestlers who are influenced by lucha) or the American style, in which the “sport” is acted out almost in the background of a more dramatic, soap-operaesque overarching plot line. As a result, the Mexican style often lacks stiffness (ie, the moves don’t look as realistic - again, there are very notable exceptions, but look at Art Barr’s work and you’ll see matches in which all or most of the workers barely make contact) and uses contrived, acrobatic moves that have seeped into the American style.

Also as a result, the masks and costumes are as important to the story as the wrestler underneath them, and there’s been quite a development of the culture.

In the late 1990s, American wrestling (and, as a result of the wrestling boom that made it cool to wear Stone Cold Steve Austin shirts to school, the American people) latched on to several luchadors and brought them to the States to compete on the Monday night cable shows. Thus, you see references to the stereotypical Mexican masked wrestler on, say, Mad TV (a sketch featured ‘El Asso-Wipo’) or The Simpsons (in which Marge’s women’s investment group sponsored ‘El Bombastico’). I’d assume that Strong Bad is just a holdover from that brief boom into the American consciousness.

Also, Strong Bad has a stereotypical “cheat, mang” accent, and where else do you see masks like that? :wink:

On preview, Yllaria mentioned Mucha Lucha. Also a factor.

Checkin’ the Straight Dope! Checkin’ the Staright Dope!
[mumble mumble]

Strong Bad . . . voice. Hey! Who’s this guy think he is-trying to post in a StrongBad style? I’ll have to call on Trogdor the Burninator to obliverate him! Oh, The Cheat?? I have a mission for you. Get it done before the paper runs down the top of the screen. OK, henchman? Forward slash voice.

Signed, Needs a new hobby

What the…? First of all, the name is Strong . . . Bad. Two words. Not StrongBad, not Strongbad, Strong Bad. Got it?

Second of all, I don’t know what you think you’re talking about. I mean, just because I write in a vaguely conversational way, right away you assume I’m imitating somebody else? I don’t need to imitate anybody! I’m super awesome! Pretty soon, people will be imitating me!

Until next time,
Try harder!

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Pretty good, Ace. You get an iron cup full of Brunswick stew.

If you’d answered the following questions, though, it could have been a trophy full of Steak’Ums:

What does it mean to treat wrestling as an “art”? I’ve never seen Mexican or Japanese wrestling (and barely seen the American kind), so I don’t quite get what you’re talking about. Amercan professional wrestlers have costumes and play roles. (They are essentially actors playing characters.) Is this what Mexican wrestling is like? Do they all wear masks like Strong Bad’s, or is that an image created by one or two particularly famous wrestlers. If the former, why the similarity? American wrestlers seem to wrok to create distinctive appearances, if not particularly distinctive personalities. And what does “Lucha Libre” mean? (Free something, I’m guessing.)

Mexican wrestling, Lucha Libre (“free wrestling,” literally - also the term used in Mexico for the Olympic style we call freestyle and the French call “lutte libre,” same words) is more about human frailties and character interaction, with a heavy smattering of gymnastics thrown in. For example, Art Barr (God rest his soul) was an American who worked in Mexico under a mask, using the name “American Love Machine.” The Love Machine at his best was a cocky heel (bad guy) who would, for example, do jumping jacks over a downed opponent, taunt the crowd by “swimming” to the ring (the way Mexicans stereotypically swim to America), and so forth. He was a hot-tempered guy who would often be disqualified for breaking simple rules like using (illegal) piledrivers out of anger. Other wrestlers had deeper and more interesting character motivations, but one of the big ones was always flat-out “honor.”

The mask, worn by MANY wrestlers (most notably including El Santo, who was a Mexican pop culture icon, and Mil Mascaras), was sort of a representation of honor and manhood. In American wrestling, a wrestler is emasculated when he loses a match and as a stipulation has to shave his head. In Mexico, losing the mask was a plot device to show shame, and feuds culminated in a mask-versus-mask match. (If a demasked wrestler had another feud, it might culminate in a hair-versus-mask match.) There was quite an uproar when, after he lost his mask in WCW, the WWF/WWE brought in the Mexican superstar Rey Misterio Jr. with a mask. It’s supposed to be an irreversible shame. El Hijo Del Santo, son of El Santo, maintained his father’s honor by wearing an identical silver mask.

As to the “art” question, wrestling can be broken down at its most basic to a continuum of psychology versus drama. In Japan, matches are worked so as to tell a coherent story within the match and over a career - one notable Japanese wrestler, Toshiaki Kawada, worked a long feud with an old schoolmate, Mitsuharu Misawa, in which (and I’m grossly oversimplifying here) one of the threads was Misawa continually attacking his knee. They so hated each other that Misawa was just out to destroy him by any means necessary. That feud culminated in 1994, and to this day Kawada will still occasionally fall down in a match after a very light knee attack, “selling” the knee. American wrestling is a different animal altogether - while they tell stories, their motivation in a match is to pop the crowd as many times as possible by using their marquee moves.

Mexican wrestling is about telling a story, but it focuses on the character motivations as opposed to the Japanese focus on working a coherent match. They do spectacular moves for the sake of doing spectacular moves, and they work with the characters’ motivations to draw the crowd in in the soap opera style, whereas American storylines have been focused out of the ring more and more as the style developed into the TV-friendly four-minute matches crammed with marquee moves. Also, the lost focus on stiffness (making it “look real”) makes Mexican wrestling look almost kabuki-ish, whereas Japanese wrestling tends to be very stiff (in one Kawada-Misawa match, one of them hauled off and whacked the other so hard that he fractured an orbital bone; in a match between two extremely stiff Americans that took place in Japan, Stan Hansen clotheslined Vader with such force that Vader’s eye briefly dislodged, though I haven’t seen a tape of it. It’s a minor legend.).

And, of course, I have to point out that I’m talking about Japanese wrestling at its best. At its worst, it’s a festival of random head-dropping to pop the crowd and no-selling (ignoring attacks) for the sake of exciting the audience.

Hope I’m not ranting too much. :slight_smile:

This site is a great place to look at a variety of Mexican and Mexican-style masks.

Strong Bad’s mask is based on Mil Mascaras’, which was at its most basic a style employed by many generically-named American wrestlers (Masked Superstar, the various Assassins, etc). The one-color mask with separate-colored eye holes is as simple as it gets, and web art like Strong Bad doesn’t lend itself to complicated designs.

FWIW, there have been American wrestlers who wore masks. The only one I can think of offhand wore a white mask and went by the imaginative name of “Mr. Wrestling.” He was supposed to be one of the “good guys.”
RR

hijack: I just saw the surf-rock outfit Los Straitjackets last weekend, and they were awesome. They perform every set in their trademark Mexican wrestling masks.

http://los.straitjackets.com

/hijack

It’s Mucha Lucha! (on the WB)

Ay carumba! Warner Brothers got rid of Speedy Gonzales, but they show that? I suppose any show where the heroes have brown skin is a step forward, but if there were only one show for kids to watch about my culture, I’d hope it didn’t focus on NASCAR! (And yes, I do get the sense that Lucha Libre doesn’t have quite the same class conotations that NASCAR or professional wrestling have in anglo culture, but still!) I think a show like that would make me happy for Dora the Explorer!

Ace, I’m convinved Lucha Libre can be approached and analyzed as an art (as can almost any cultural activity), but I’m still not convinced that in the minds of the participants, it’s any more high-brow than WWF (or whatever it is now).

And could you explain a bit more about the whole de-masking thing? Is this something that happens in the ring, where another wrestler rips off the ask of another, or something else, like a penalty for loosing? What happens afterwards, when the wrestler comes back unmasked to fight? Is he seen as less of a star? According to Wikipedia, it happens to almost every wrestler at some point in their career. (I read most of the Wikipedia articles on professional wrestling and Lucha Libre as a result of your posts. There is definitely more there to analyze than I would have guessed!)

And was the crossover period of the late 90s really the origin of the masked-wrestler image in Anglo America? It seems as though I knew of it earlier than that, although again, I can’t think where or why. (Though Mad TV and The Simpsons are pretty good guesses!)

It should be noted that many Japanese wrestlers wear masks, like Jushin “Thunder” Liger, Ulitmo Dragon and Tiger Mask.

A mask v. mask match is dramatic device. It is the last match of a long-standing feud. The loser will usually take some time off and return as a different character or with a different attitude. Cien Caras was a fan-favorite when he wore a mask, after he lost it he became a villain.

Well, granted, but keep in mind that we’re talking about what’s essentially a gymnastic event with a predetermined outcome. I’m a huge fan of the sport, but the standards for ‘art’ tend to be pretty low. :wink: On that scale, lucha approaches the art end of the continuum, with Japenese puroresu on the technical end. Lucha’s never going to be the defining piece of the Mexican culture, but in comparison with the other styles, it’s definitely wearing the black beret and turtleneck.

That said, and I don’t mean to be snarky here… some people just don’t get it, and I’m getting the “just don’t get it” vibe from you. Either you appreciate it or you don’t. Doesn’t make you a bad person, just means our tastes vary.

Well, it would be hard for me to get it, since I’ve never seen it. I think I could learn to appreciate it to a certain extent, but you’re probably right that I cold never become a true fan. Hard to say, though, since I’ve never given it a chance. I am intrigued enough to keep asking about that whole demasking though.

BTW, that last post helps put things in context. At first, it seemed to this outsider that you were discussing it on the sort of level one might discuss Wagner or Eliot. Anyway, it’s been very interesting to me.

Did you see it on an episode of Angel?

Viva la Paz

I know Lucha Libre aired on Mexican networks that could be seen over-the-air in border areas, but did it ever appear on American Spanish-language television networks? Univision, Telemundo, Galavision an the like came onto their own in the 1990s, and many an Anglo spent more than a few minutes trying to decipher the soap operas and old-school variety shows that dominate those networks.

Wasn’t it the mid-to-late 1990s when GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL! entered the American lexicon? It was about the same time that parodies of Spanish-langauge television programming hit sketch comedy shows like Saturday Night LIve and Mad TV.

On a similar note, I’m wondering how Americans ever discovered Bollywood and bhangra kitsch. How was “Tunak Tunak Tun” discovered by non-Indians? Indian programming isn’t common at all in the US, even on American cable systems; you usually have to pay for an “Indian pak” or some equivalent to get channels like Zee TV.

There is also an advertisement for something, I think it is for a mini-van where they have kids saying “If I ran the world, I would do…” and one kid says “If I ran the world, I would bring the four hombres to show and tell.” And they show the kid in the back of a mini-van with four Mexican wrestlers who then flex and growl at the camera.

Maybe that’s where you saw it.

That’s it!!!

Well, probably not really. Like I said, I think that meme was floating around somewhere in my head from long before, but now I’m not sure. The “Four Hombres” comercial is the first thing anyone’s mentioned that actually rings a bell.

So that explains how I knew what it was, if not how the image entered American conciousness.

(BTW, I did finally find this interview in which The Brothers Chaps admit their inspiration for Strong Bad was, in fact, Mil Mascaras. So it looks like Ace nailed that part of the question.)

Ok, now we’re getting somewhere. According to the same interview, they were also inspired by an old Nintendo game. After much searching, I was finally able to find this image of an old cartridge. You can clearly see at least one masked wrestler, and some of the smaller figures at the bottom may be masked as well; they’re harder to make out. One of the teams in the game was called the Strong Bads. Unfortunately I can’t find any images of the game itself, and it would be nice if someone could post a link to some if you find them. This is clearly the earliest example so far of the masked wrestler appearing in US pop culture, and is also a direct inspiration for Strong Bad acknowledged by the creators.

Dang! I hate answering my own question, but I never would have known what to look for without you guys!

More information on the meme, the NES game, earlier appearences, or Lucha Libre are still welcome!