I might need to start a GQ thread about the bolded part.
Essay, I propose we have sex immediately in celebration of your position. Agreed?
I might need to start a GQ thread about the bolded part.
Essay, I propose we have sex immediately in celebration of your position. Agreed?
I agree. If I had a friend who didn’t want to have sex until they were married, or want to masturbate, or anything she’s done, I’d be fine with that–no pressure or anything. It’s her life, it’s her choice. I respect it. But I don’t think she can really generalize to everyone based on her life.
Her statements about wondering do men do that (look at people and think you’d like to have sex with them) and getting weirded out by her friend Leo’s description of his urges/lust…it does make me wonder why she’s really doing this. The article also did say that Leo’s father was a child molestor. I’m not saying he was abused and therefore he’s celibate…but yeah, I have to admit, it made me wonder. And it makes me wonder about her choices, too. Not that there’s anything wrong with them, but as you point out, eleanorigby, there seems to be an undercurrent of hostility. I sort of worry for her.
ETA:
Your wish is my command.
I know! Us Monty Python fans are just freaks that should be locked up.
Oh.
Where does the penis go?
[TMI]I once knew a girl who refused to masturbate or allow anyone else to touch her “down there” including her SOs, because she was terrified that she’d lose control of her sphincter(s) if she had an orgasm.
I always figured she had some sort of embarrassing public urination or defaecation incident as a child.[/TMI]
Oh go fuck yourself. My farts are smarter than you are. Personally, I happen to agree with the OP WRT sex, but I’m at least honest enough to recognize hypocrisy when I see it, I don’t give it a pass just because I happen to agree with the position presented.
I have a problem with her pushing her completely unproven, and in some cases demonstrably false, assertions about sex and oxytocin as actual fact.
The whole “hormonal bonding” thing comes from 1930s research and was thankfully debunked decades ago. Thankfully because women who adopt or can’t breastfeed need to (and do) form the same bonds with their children - as do fathers.
I don’t think that word means what you think it means. As others have pointed out in this thread the OP isn’t pitting abstinence, she’s pitting the self-righteous and evangelical nature of the movement that is trying to get others to take up abstinence based on some very shaky reasoning and unproven research. As the OP says quite a few times she’s all for people abstaining if that’s what they want, as much as she is for people having sex if that’s what they want - it’s a choice.
The group the OP refers to, on the other hand, seem to be making their case on the basis that there shouldn’t be a choice - that it’s abstinence and acceptance into some earthly kingdom of heaven come marriage, or have sex and experience a life of emotional disability (and “marital poverty”, no less). The OP is merely pointing out the logical disconnect in that reasoning in an earnest fashion, not saying that their views themselves are wrong. She also makes the (extremely valid) point that she knows what she’s talking about in regards to sex, whereas the people in this movement don’t, so they can’t really claim to be informed can they?
So, where exactly is the hypocrisy? Or should I go fuck myself too?
Anyway, Essay, that was a masterful pitting, and if I had a high enough opinion of myself to keep a blog I’d ask your permission to reproduce it. I seriously laughed my arse off when I read this:
Brilliant. Oh, and I will be using the phrase “not exactly a bucket of rainbows” in a conversation sometime this week.
Ooo, that sounds dirrrrr-ty.
Other people have said as much, but from her own OP:
and
It’s pretty clear that, all of her lip service to the contrary, she considers folks who chose abstinence to be strange and unnatural and premarital sex to be normal and a good idea (“I think if I were a blushing bride all worked up for my wedding night, I would already be nervous enough that, with one glimpse of that thing, I’d pass out.”). Again, I actually agree with those views, BUT I am not going to tell someone who holds opposing thoughts on the matter “I’m right and you’re wrong” without being completely aware of the hypocritical nature of my statement; doing so in the context of a rant that comes down to condemning the other person for their beliefs that they are right and other people are wrong is a two for one gig: Hypocritical and ironic.
Is she cute?
We have a (female) dog who does that. She stalks through the house, finds even the tiniest bug on the ceiling and stares at it. When we knock it down, she gobbles it up. Detection and disposal all in one package.
And she’s not a virgin either.
Only if we do it right.
Janie? There’s a pic in the article.
They’re in the physics and engineering departments.
Actually, I’m all in favor of that virginity shit. Otherwise, where are we easily find sacrifices for Our Dark Lord ?
No, what is pretty clear here is that your attempts at critical thinking exceed your capabilities.
The OP claims to be part of this “middle” that the abstinence evangelist excludes. The OP made no normative claims. The OP is enthusiastic about sex. Hooray.
I don’t mean to be a reflexive (and slightly retarded) contrarian like Weirddave, but the OP is tepid and the position is stunningly non-controversial. If your side of the argument is kind of pedestrian, you have to make up for it with over-the-top rhetoric and honest-to-goodness abuse. Not being able to tell the difference between metonymy and synecdoche doesn’t really cut it.
Too bad that student group wasn’t at BC. There’s a wonderful course I’m taking called Sex and Spirituality. We tackle issues such as gender, masturbation, sex pre/post marriage/singlehood/celibacy, and homosexuality. The dominant attitude among the heavily Christian class is that sex is a wonderful gift that can be shared between two people who love each other. That’s a gross oversimplification really, but I just wish there were more traditional Catholics that didn’t fall into the camp of premarital sex=ticket to hell, post-marriage=sex is wonderful!
Huh? I understand the words, but not what you meant.
nNice rant!
I must say, though, you had me at True Love Revolution (puke!).
I am forced to remove a tenth point because you exceeded my attention span, or the maybe Virginators did.
9.9, very nice dismount!