I’ll happily concede that there are fewer liberals saying incredibly stupid things. I’d bet a large percentage of the posts here are Michael Moore alone, who temperamentally fits better on my side. Who knows, a lot of former liberal radicals have become conservatives, maybe Moore will join us someday.
Michael Savage used to be part of the hippie-dippy crowd. Apparently he got into some bad reefer because he went the whole other direction with it. People change brands, change their outlooks, change their ideologies. But you can’t fix stupid.
Stupid is universal. I have little faith in the right-wing radicals in our midst, but I do not believe that if someone is stupid, they necessarily are right wingers. Nor do I think that if someone is liberal, they grow more brain cells. There’s simple and then there’s simple, and I’m not that type of simple.
By default, there’s gotta be millions of effing stupid liberals out there. And I love a good idiot bashing. Whether it’s a group of hippie-dips who insist on not vaccinating their children because western medicine is all about profit, and would rather visit a Reiki master to cure all their child’s real treatable maladies, or that same group praying the devils out of their childrens’ bodies while wearing their crosses on top of flag pins, both groups insist on rejecting evidence and embracing trendy non-science nonsense, to the detriment of their children’s health. Ultimately, it’s not Republican or Democrat that is to blame. That same hippy-dip is just as stupid and dippy whether s/he votes Republican or Democrat.
*Stupid *is the enemy.
When Nancy Pelosi opens her mouth and something stupid comes out, it doesn’t make me *feel *better that there’s a “D” next to her name on the TV screen. It just gives me more reasons to feel depressed that this is the party I can vote for as an alternative to a Republican-proposed agenda.
Why we all are losing is because they’ve managed to put stupid into red and blue camps, and slap red and blue labels on, and create brand names for two different kinds of stupid, and managed to convince enough voters that one color of stupid is worse than the other, and that voting for stupid is good, as long as it has the right brand name and color on the packaging.
[spoiler]-Vote for Dumb Pepsi! At least it’s not Dumb Coke! :rolleyes: Dumb Coke gives you AIDS.
[COLOR=Red]-Yeah, but Dumb Pepsi gives you cancer.
-And cancer is sometimes treatable. Vote for cancer![/COLOR]
Cancer sucks. Vote for *AIDS *because it will come with a minor tax break.
-Oh yeah? Well, we’ll continue those minor tax breaks, and it will be a good idea when *we *do it, because we’re Dumb Pepsi, and therefore when we do it, it’s less dumb than when Dumb Coke does it!
-No, vote for us! We’re the ones that come up with the ideas that get passed as legislation, even if it ends up being Dumb Pepsi who makes it happen, or continues those policies instead of reversing them! Also, more tax breaks and more balanced budgets at the same time, we totally promise, and no foolin’ this time, winking smiley face emoticon.
-And we’ll talk about how Dumb Coke drove the truck into the ditch, and then keep on truckin’ with largely the same policies! Then instead of universal care, we’ll pass ideas that were originally marketed by Dumb Coke as an alternative to Hillarycare and that will be our great legislative achievement: Agreeing with Republicans from two decades ago instead of having our own, workable ideas![/spoiler]Some people can’t taste the difference between Dumb Coke and Dumb Pepsi, and I think they’re on to something.
I think the reason is that liberalism is an ideology where the 10% who actually think about the issues head a mass movement that doesn’t. You can see it in voting behavior, your side just doesn’t come out reliably. Conservatism, on the other hand, is a mass movement where pretty much everyone in the movement seems to have absorbed the talking points efficiently and not much more than that. I can grab an average right-wing voter and say things like, “Government messes everything up! We need to be tough on terrorists! America is awesome! Taxes should be lower! Abortion is murder! You can have my gun when you pry it out of my dead hands!” and I’ll get a “hell yeah!” in response. If I grab your average Democratic voter and try similar liberal slogans on them, the response at least 8 times out of 10 is, “I don’t really follow politics that closely.” They know they agree with Democrats about a lot of things, disagree on a few things, and that Republicans are a bunch of crazy yahoos. In many ways, the Democrats have become a silent majority, although a slim silent majority that is often undermined by failure to vote.
That you seem to view this as a positive trait, and not something that causes you great shame and embarrassment, is one of the sadder things I’ve witnessed in a long time.
Out of sympathy, I will feel the embarrassment on your behalf until you are able to bear it on your own.
I’m having a Facebook war with a bunch of fellow liberals right now over the colors of a dress. Will that do?
This “35 jobs” stuff is disingenuous nonsense. The biggest benefit of Keystone is providing cheaper energy to the U.S. Cheaper energy enables lots of good economic things, and total GDP is strongly correlated with energy consumption. Sure, some of that cheaper oil might have ultimately been exported, but only after being refined and having value added to it by the U.S.
Further, the “35 jobs” are only those directly linked to the pipeline operations. Doesn’t account for increased refinery production and all the other benefits the cheaper oil would provide.
Lastly, while Obama no doubt believes he’s taking a stand for the environment, that oil is coming out of the ground no matter what. Except more of it is going to China instead of us because of the Keystone veto.
No, the oil transported by the Keystone pipeline is not for the US, it is for export. It will provide cheaper energy to China.
You’re wrong. PolitiFact | Obama says Keystone XL is for exporting oil outside the U.S., experts disagree
And even if you were right, what Keystone literally, physically does is deliver a greater amount of oil into the borders of the United States at a lower price. If it’s more beneficial to refine for China at some period, we can do that, while at another period we can refine and use domestically. Or use it in petrochem manufacturing. Simply put, it provides greater options.
ROTFLMAO!!!
Jesus Fucking Christ, you clowns are soooo predictable. Let me educate you, Ravenman.
I am well-informed, articulate, and insightful. I am also conservative. Therefore, I get bullshit, ad hominem snark like your comment on a daily basis from liberals because you people can’t do anything else. I love poking you people with facts because you start to flap around like parrots on crack, squawking all the while about how stupid I am because I dared to post something negative about Obama.
Like I said, predictable. And amusing.
The experts are hedging their bets.
This claim has not been demonstrated. At all.
If you weren’t, how would you know?
When did that ever happen?
There are plenty of Dopers and plenty of Dope threads which criticize Obama or his policies without the ad-hominem attacks. There is reasonable criticism of the President and his policies. But yours, so far, is the effort-free, inarticulate, and brainless Hannity-esque criticism.
Maybe you’re well informed, articulate, and insightful, but your criticisms of Obama (at least the most recent examples in this thread) are not. “The stupid is strong with this one” and “Obama Fuckup Wall” are not well-informed, articulate, or insightful criticisms.
I don’t even know what the “liberal slogans” would be.
So you’re posting purely to wind people up. Got it. I could swear there’s a name for that sort of behavior. If only I could remember…
Also, much as I’m sure you would like like to think otherwise, when people say that you’re a bit dim, I’m certain it’s because they think you’re, well, a bit dim. As for articulate, your posts generally read as though it took you an hour of concentrated thought to compose a 15-word sentence. Just sayin’.
In other words, you’re a troll. Thanks for finally owning up to what we’ve known for 15 years now.
now who is rolling on the floor ?
Fact count: one (poster is conservative.) Possibly two if he was actually rolling around on the floor.
Really Clothy, just reflexively stating that anything Obama does that you disagree with is stupid is neither well-informed nor insightful.
Seriously Clothahump, in say the discussion of the XL pipeline, can you actually point to a fact that you poked us with? Since you say you love using facts it should be easy for you to quote one.
Looking over your past posts, all I see is the factual statement that Obama vetoed the legislation (which all of us knew), a quoting an uncited opinion poll which was other pointed out was inaccurately portrayed (and in any case has no bearing on whether or not its a good idea), and a bunch of platitudes. Where are the facts you are poking us with?