So your previous statement was not accurate (to be generous).
Okay. Where do we get the money to handle the deportations? The papework, the lawyers, the pure man-hours, the actual transport? Where does California get the money for this? They’ll have to hire more cops because of the additional hours this would generate because of ticketing.
Are you advocating that California raise its taxes to remove low cost labor from its labor pool? What do you think that would do the economy?
What if someone won’t tell us what country they’re from? What if they have American children (because they were born here)? What if they have a home that they own? Who gets it?
The reason people are snippy with you, is that your ideas seem like the sort of things that very, very short-sighted people would advocate. You’re just angry and don’t think through the things you say.
Careful what you wish for.
Well, we could always hire other illegal immigrants to handle the deportation process. It would save us millions!
Sometimes after breaking some eggs and making an omelet, you have to spend a really long time picking tiny bits of gooey shell out of the carpet.
Best outcome: your pet dog helps lick it up, and someone walks in to find you face down in the carpet, wig half-cocked, lipstick smeared across one cheek, dog licking up eggshells.
Only if you twist it real hard while pretending you don’t understand what I said. The fact you only quoted one word from my post indicates what choice you made.
If we don’t already have enough in the budget (you are aware that we are already deporting them, right?), then the money we save in social services would probably cover it.
Wait, what? The state doesn’t deport people, the federal government does. This wouldn’t going to cost anymore CHiP or local police manhours than any other situation when they run across an undocumented illegal.
Um, do you live here?
Personally, I don’t care about their anchor kids and really wish that bleeding hearts would quit getting in the way of changing the law on that. What if they won’t claim a country? Jail I guess - don’t know what the laws are on that. Own a home? I don’t know if that is possible for an illegal but if it is, I guess the bank gets it unless someone wants to take over the mortgage.
Well, I’m not angry, and I think you know quite a bit less about the illegal issues in this state than I do. The reason people are snippy with me is either I don’t agree with them, or because I don’t change my opinion on something just because a baby is involved.
I take it you’re someone who pays way more in taxes than the average person?
Not sure what that has to do with anything, but no.
Oh. Well I just figured if you were someone who has such staunch opinions about how society’s money should be spent that you’d have to be someone who’s giving more than their share.
Is that not the case?
You are saying that the average person in the US doesn’t have staunch opinions on how their tax money is spent?
And, not paying some huge amount of money in taxes doesn’t mean someone isn’t paying more than their share. Depends on the definition of “share”.
Not eating breakfast at your house. Ever.
So you’re not paying your share, but you’re self-righteous about what other people’s tax money is paying for nonetheless, then. You have strong feelings about what the people who are paying your portion for you should be paying for.
Okay.
Maybe we could outsource it?
Cosmic justice would be for people like you to find out you weren’t born in the United States and get deported to a foreign land where you don’t speak the language.
Wait a minute! We hire guys on the other side of the border, to catch them before they get here! Then its Mexico’s problem, or Canada! Pretty soon, no illegals anywhere! And I don’t eat a lot of salad, so lettuce at $7 a head isn’t a problem to me.
Well, that’s got to be one of the most - cough - interesting interpretations of a post I’ve seen in a very long time. Funny how you jumped to me not paying my share, me being self righteous about other people’s anything, and that anyone is paying my portion when nothing was said about any of that and none of it is true.
Not that any of that has anything to do with the severe problems this state has with illegals. But yes, you bleeding hearts see nothing wrong with wishing evil onto people who would just like people to come in legally instead of sneaking in lacking vaccinations, education, insurance, jobs, etc etc.
Amusing tho that you wish disaster on me simply because I wish others would quit breaking the law. :dubious:
Oh, I apologize. I’m just going by what you’ve said here and what I’m gathering from your recent posts, I’m obviously going too far in my assumptions. So you’re someone who is earning income off your work and paying taxes on that income, like a regular person?
Better a bleeding heart than none at all.
Besides, we’ve tried it your way, simply sending them back to their points of origin and it’s not working, it hasn’t worked and, if you’ll permit me a psychic moment, it will continue to not work in the future. The fact of the matter is, as long as the US promises a better life than their current circumstances, people will break the law to come here. Illegal immigration is a symptom of underlying social and economic issues and it’s by attacking those problems that we can address the symptoms. At least, that’s my view of it.
My hometown has had problems with illegal immigration as well, and frankly, I have no respect for people who have no problems with families broken up by deportation, if for no other reason, what do you think happens to all the kids who are US citizens but have no parents? They have to go into taxpayer-funded fostercare when before they were being supported by working parents. Which means money that could be going into, I dunno, NIH grants or improving infrastructure has to take care of the kids because some people are xenophobes.
We don’t save money on social services. Most illegal immigrants pay taxes. Many Illegal immigrants pay taxes they'll likely never see again
Thought Experiment: You’re a cop. You stop an illegal immigrant for a traffic violation. He hands you a Mexican license. What exactly happens next? He calls someone. He takes the driver into custody, he has the car towed. He hands off that person to a holding facility and does paperwork. The holding facility checks the person in and awaits the federal government to come and pick him up. Until then, they pay to house, feed and store him. They also use up space that could be used for rapists and bankers.
All this costs money. Where do you think the money comes from?
Not for the last couple years, but I did for a long time.
It’s in the constitution. If you don’t like it, pressure your congress person to start a constitutional convention.
Illegal immigrants can own homes. They also spend money and are a net boon the economy.
No, it’s really because you come across as a bitter and hateful. Although, I’m sure you’re a peach once you get past the prickles.
You should just give up - you are either going for sarcasm and it’s falling flat, or you are completely without a clue.
I suppose that’s true but I wouldn’t know.
Ah. So we should just quit trying to deal with all social ills then? You know, because people continue to murder, steal, take drugs and drive too fast?
You are assuming that they weren’t living on taxpayer money to begin with. And noting that the state of California is going under for the third time due to having to support far more people than it possibly can is hardly xenophobic. I imagine if for some reason all of the illegals were shipped to your home town, you’d notice it was a big problem too.
Which does zero for the state of California.
You are assuming that someone driving in the US with a valid Mexican license should be arrested? Perhaps you shouldn’t comment on things that you don’t know much about, eh?
Your lack of knowledge on the subject is astounding then.
Note that I said that I wish this would happen, but those of you that seem to think that we can support any number of people without an education, decent knowledge of the language and in far too many cases no job continue to think that just because a baby is born here, it should be OK to have the whole family move in.
I suppose they can, but I do wonder how they get past all of the legalities, since it takes more to do that than to get a false driver’s license. Do you also think that other folks who break federal laws should be allowed to go without punishment simply because they bought a house, or had a kid?
Yeah, you really don’t know much about the situation do you.
Well, that is your problem, not mine. Anyone who assumes that someone must be bitter and hateful simply because they have different opinions has got some serious problems.