Wow!!!
Percy!!!
Read an interesting statistic just now. In the entire history of the NFL, no game (until tonight) had ever ended with the score 43-8.
I don’t have much idea about American football, but that statistic is incredible considering the thousands of games that have been played over the years! Imagine the permutations/combinations!
Hey, I just discovered from YouTube that Alex Jones and his Infowars site declared that this year’s Super Bowl winner early, that it was “leaked,” meaning, I assume, that the outcome was somehow predetermined. I don’t want to give his video the views; anyone know what’s going on there, and if they were somehow “right”?
I remember hearing it in the 90s. Guys in the dorm room down the hall would all yell it while playing Super Tecmo.
I’m not sure why anyone thought Manning would retire after this season, even if he won the Super Bowl. He clearly wants to be known as the greatest ever, and he has a number of milestones yet to hit. He’s real close to Favre in a couple categories, and he’ll likely need to create some cushion for when Brees gets close to retirement.
It’s a type of lottery ticket. Unfortunately it’s easier to say than “interception return for a touchdown”, so it’s been borrowed and has stuck.
After that safety, I was sure that would be the margin of the final score, and gamblers would still be screaming about it. Um, no.
Why would anyone fake such a horrible game?
Fair or unfair, Manning’s legacy is unalterably tarnished. At best his participation in last night’s game was irrelevant; at worst he can be criticized for panicking once the game started moving too fast. His considerable “fan base” amongst hte hordes of football commentators can’t protect him any longer.
Hanging around to chase Favre’s records is ill-advised. Favre, himself, cheapened his own legacy by not knowing when to walk away.
I agree on his now-tarnished legacy (or rather, confirmed tarnishment). But how much of Favre’s bad reputation was earned by his retired-not retired-retired-not retired-finally retired tap dance? And then the Jenn Sterger fiasco?
I really can’t blame a defense for giving up after fighting hard and playing well for 3 quarters or so, and still being blown out because the offense keeps turning the ball over.
I won $50 in second quarter SB squares and I had S-0, D-8 for the entire game… you’re damned sure that I was rooting for Seattle on their last drive!
Thanks for the laugh. Well that settles it, next year’s halftime show MUST be ICP.
I still can’t decide if Denver’s offense just choked, or if Seattle’s defense is just so good it can make the best offense in the league look like chumps. I wasn’t expecting miracles from Denver’s defense, but I was counting on at least “NFL quality.”
Well the retired-not retired routine is just an extreme case of not being able to walk away. With the neck issue coming up with Manning’s off-season physical, we might be entering that phase of his career, as well.
Obviously, Manning is still better than 90% of NFl QB’s, but is he as good as he used to be? The 2013 passing records are great to look at, but, as we’ve seen time and again, they are largely irrelevant vs a team that has excellent defensive personnel and a good defensive-minded coach that has two weeks to prepare. Same thing happened with Tom Brady when he faced the Giants in Feb. 2008. (But at least Brady didn’t try to force the issue.)
Manning doesn’t have to chase anything. By continuing to play, all he does is set himself up as the fall guy.
Seriously?
Dan Marino only made a single Super Bowl appearance and that was early in his career. He didn’t tarnish his legacy by continuing to play and coming up short in the playoffs season after season.
This is true for most of the class of '83 QBs. If Elway quit a few years earlier, that whole class, which is still arguably the best QB class in history, would have 0 Super Bowl wins.
It’s a team game. Yes, the QB position is the most important. And yes, the QB can single handedly lose games. But to say that getting to the Super Bowl again but coming up short in a single game “tarnishes” your legacy is the worst kind of fanboyism imaginable.
About 30% of the country follow football all season long. That percentage doubles during the Super Bowl hype. The half that become ‘fans’ only during SB week see Manning as the ultimate choker. For two weeks he’s built up as the #1 force in football, and then he’s exposed, at best, as Mr. Irrelevant. That’s his legacy, fair or unfair.
On the one hand, you’re saying only the Super Bowl matters. If so, why is there even a debate? Brady’s a choker, Marino’s a choker, Trent Dilfer is a God, Eli Manning is perhaps the greatest QB to have ever played the game, etc.
On the other hand, you’re saying Peyton Manning is still better than most NFL QBs. How can you even judge that unless you’re actually examining his record beyond the Super Bowl?
Either the regular season and other playoff games matter or they don’t. Pick one and better yet, stick to it. Don’t hide behind casual fans - actually, not even casual fans but a stereotype of casual fans.
It doesn’t matter what I think. I still think Johnny Unitas was the best, but so what? I’m talking about Manning’s legacy and that is determined by the fans in general, which, since Pro Football has been elevated to the #1 sport in America, (due to all the fair weather fans that hop on board during SB Sunday) a QB’s legacy is determined by his SB performance.
Manning doesn’t need any more regular season accomplishments. Ironically, adding to his regular season records, only reinforces in the minds of most fans that he’s a choker in the big games.
Which you claimed was “unalterably tarnished”.
Except it wasn’t.
His fans are going to point to his 5th MVP, his regular season, and the mere fact he’s in another Super Bowl.
His detractors are going to point to the loss and his loss in the '09 Super Bowl and his playoff record.
Both sides are just going to entrench further. His legacy isn’t going to be any more “tarnished” than it was a week ago. His legacy could only be burnished at this point.
Ditto Favre. His legacy wasn’t affected by staying in the league and lack of post-season success. His legacy was affected by his retire/don’t retire dance and the Jenn Sterger sexual harassment scandal.
If casual fans are so casual they only judge based on the Super Bowl, they don’t remember the players after they retire (or even before they retire). So, how do they affect any player’s legacy at all unless they’re keeping better track than you are giving them credit for?
8 is a very unusual score. You can either get a safety with 2 field goals, like the Seahawks did in the first quarter, or you can get a TD with a 2pt conversion.
To have that be the entirety of a team’s score is very odd. Out of about 15,000 games, teams have finished a game with 8 points exactly 41 times, including last night’s game.
As I alluded to earlier, the reason the NFL is the #1 sport in America is because it cultivates the ‘casual’ fan. And of the half that are more dedicated, a good portion of them are gamblers, who’ll tell you that betting against Manning in playoff games will make you a winner 70% of the time.