Super Tuesday Primary Discussion

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Nah, just folks who are disappointed their candidates didn’t win blowing off steam I’d imagine. That and a little bit of fear.

We both forgot another important clue about Biden. Trumps boss, Putin and his cronies are not only assisting Trump they are assisting the Sanders campaign. They do not want to face Biden either.

How could anyone with even the most modest ability to read other human beings, NOT see the blatant vulnerability and weakness in Biden every time he opens his mouth to mumble another nonsensical stream of words?

You can call him “Tramp” all you want, you seem to never miss an opportunity to say it like it’s the most clever nickname known to man, but this is a guy that knocked down the entire field of Republican challengers like a bunch of bowling pins, then went on to beat someone who I was told for an entire year was a LOCK for the Presidency. He’s a vicious campaigner who fights dirty, doesn’t follow the established playbook at all, and enjoys a following more loyal than any Republican president that I can remember in my lifetime. (I’m 33.)

You really need ME to explain all this to you? Haven’t you been paying attention to the past 4 years?

And when Biden loses because he’s a piece of shit candidate, who are you going to blame? Sanders, of course.

Sorry. Delegates. I’m tired, like Joe Biden. :slight_smile:

They’ll blame Sanders and his supporters if the moderate loses the election, just like they did in 2016.

Biden does have serious flaws. His actions with women, his mental decline, his son getting a job in Ukraine. Like it or not these will come up in the election.

I hope he wins the general if he is the nominee though, but who knows what’ll happen.

Indeed. The way the field thinned by the end of 2019 was actually kind of a nightmare to me, but I’ve been trying to take lemons and make lemonade. Check out what I posted on Facebook last April: https://twitter.com/SlackerInc/status/1235083200327757825

All the candidates I disliked the most were the only ones left! :smack:

Yes, turnout is way up–but not from Bernie’s youth brigade. Just like in 2018, it’s older and more moderate Dems who are doing the heavy lifting.

This is very well stated. People aren’t going to hear Biden stumble through his words and decide because of a few malapropisms that they might go vote for Trump instead. That is the kind of thing that can happen in an election like 2000 where it’s very close but most of the country doesn’t really care that much. People know Biden is decent even if he’s tongue-tied, and as you say he’s got that awesome roster of Democrats to back him up.

::standing ovation::

Good post.

82% of the votes from Texas are in and Biden is up by 50,000 votes. The more they count, the more his lead widens over Bernie.

ETA: NBC just called Texas for Biden. So the only big win for Bernie appears to be California.

LOL, I supported Sanders in 2016 and got pilloried when I decided not to waste my time voting for Hillary in an state that my vote truly didn’t matter ( it was on this board so you can look it up ). I was upset that the Clinton voters disdained Sanders voters with the Bernie Bro label which frankly people are still doing and now I am accused by a Sandernista of being an establishment stooge. My how times change huh?

The fact is, I don’t feel Bernie is a great candidate even though again, I am closer to his ideology than any other candidate. If I were supporting based on my ideology at this point it’d be Warren all the way.

Fact is though, like my former South Carolinian neighbors, I like Joe Biden. He had disappointed me at the beginning of the race so I was going with my second choice which was Warren but the foot is on the other hand now as she’s flamed out and he’s risen.

But if I were to blame Sanders for Biden losing to Trump it would be terribly hypocritical and that I assuredly am not.

Don’t give me that crap about Biden’s verbal gaffes and incoherence making a damned bit of difference after W and Trump. It sure as hell didn['t hurt either of them and we can go back to second term Reagan for that matter who was already suffering from alzheimers. You can make bold statements but current history doesn’t jive with your position.

You better check yourself Wesley. That was a direct question to me not to a “they” and I am not nor have I ever been a they.

But I have already answered the question and I did not blame myself for Trump in 2016 not then or now. I can’t in all honestly say I’ve never blamed any candidate or their supporters for my candidate’s losses but both times ( Nader and Stein ) they ran as alternate parties and that said that’s not really an excuse. I really shouldn’t blame them or anyone who is exercising their rights under a democracy but what can I say, I’m human.

Rather a lot of chutzpah making that comment while pimping your Twitter feed in your sig.

I’m sorry, but this strikes me as being just more of the same paternalistic liberal out of touch fear mongering we got with Obama and Buttigieg. “Of course, I’d vote for a black man. But what about them? The shoeless rubes in tornado alley…sorry, ‘Real America’ aren’t evolved enough to do that. Best play it safe and go with Hillary”. “Of course, I’d vote for a gay candidate. But if you think a gay POTUS and his First Gentleman will play in Peoria then you’ve got another think coming, bucko! Best play it safe and nominate Biden. ‘Real America’ isn’t ready for anyone else”. “Of course, I’d vote for a Democratic Socialist, but…etc”

Middle-class liberals, I implore you. Stop trying to guess what ‘Real America’ wants. You’re objectively terrible at it. You always get it wrong.

This is the problem with Democrats. About half of them are regular people who just want a candidate who’ll work for them. The other half are effete liberals, untouched by economic anxiety, who think they’re way smarter than they are, and who pick their candidates based on what they think the rest of the country will accept. But they look down their noses at the rest of the country so they always get it wrong.

Your post is a prime example. You genuinely seem to believe that half your countrymen are basically Pavlovian dogs who’ll piss themselves every time they hear the word ‘Socialism’. They won’t try to understand what Bernie’s selling, even though many of them need it, because they’re just too stupid. They’ll hear the word ‘Socialism’ and just shut down like 60 million broken computers. They’re so hypnotised by those four magic syllables that all the arguments for M4A, student debt relief, and Wall Street reform - all of which enjoy broad bipartisan support - will simply bounce off them. There are no words for how condescending that is.

Tell you what, re-read your post and replace every incidence of the word ‘Socialism’ with the words ‘WASHINGTON INSIDER’. Then you’ll have a more-or-less accurate summary of what actually happened in 2016. And now, thanks in large part to the attitudes of people like you, the Democrats are poised to nominate not just another Washington Insider, but a Washington Insider who is clearly losing his damn mind on live TV. Did you see his victory speech last night? He got his wife confused with his sister, and then promised an actual cure for cancer. It was pitiful. Trump’s going to flatten him.

Sorry for the rant, but it’s so plain to me that Democrats haven’t learn the lessons of 2016 and I’m truly worried that you’ve just bought the world another four years of Trump.

I’m kinda hungry but since I’m a Biden supporter, I don’t live in mommy’s basement and thus have to be responsible for my own dinner.

First of all, in terms of electioneering, it’s waaay better to have a couple of big signature issues than 10-15 little moderate ones. The big signature issues are what excite and galvanise people. They’re what get people to volunteer and canvass for you. You think anyone’s going to be inspired to canvass by the promise of more moderate judges? No.

Second, there’s nothing in that list that Bernie’s not also promising. The only exception is point 5, on which Bernie is promising to do more. So it doesn’t really do anything to differentiate between the two candidates.

Finally, Biden seems to be basing much of his campaign on point 1. That’s why he keeps harking back to the Obama era. Bernie’s focussed on the issues. Biden’s focussed on reminding everyone that he’s not Trump. As both Hillary Clinton and John Kerry will tell you, running on a platform of “I’m not the other guy” is a really bad strategy.

Biden? Sanders?

Giant meteor, I’m ready for you now.

Kerry very nearly beat Dubya despite his being over 50 percent in approval. When a president is significantly UNDER 50 percent, as Trump is, being “not the incumbent”, but otherwise generic and inoffensive, is *exactly *the right position to be in.

In other news, Jill Biden is impressively fierce–but where is the Bidens’ security detail?

Biden: ‘Poor Kids’ Are Just as Bright as ‘White Kids’

Putin might as well lay off his trolls. Biden is doing their work for them. And better.

ETA: In case anyone hasn’t noticed. Trump is now the youngest candidate.

This is relatively old news - and as far as (Joe’s) gaffes go, relatively mild when you look beneath the surface of your gut reaction and realize what he was trying to get across…

Oh well, I guess it’s time to recycle hair-sniffing, Strom Thurmond, etc. Have at it…

::Standing ovation!::