I don’t hate Bernie. In fact, I have immense admiration for his agenda and agree with much of it. I just don’t think it’s realistic. And I became deeply dismayed when he began in 2016 to employ Trumpian tactics to advance his nomination at the lasting expense of the Democratic party. I think I’m entitled to call him on that.
As for Bernie Bros on this forum, you might want to review this thread. There’s some real unnecessary rudeness there.
Same here. I just decided to start ignoring my oldest friend’s text for the rest of the day. Non stop conspiracies and challenges to in depth policy discussions. We’re both fucking Canadians asshole! His policies won’t change our non-existent vote!!!
The email I received this morning (From RootsAction, whatever that is) includes a chart that compares Sanders, Biden and Trump and makes Biden seem identical to Trump. I get that they’re trying to save Sanders’ chance to win the nomination, but they’re also sending a pretty clear message that if Biden gets the nomination you may as well not vote.
It’s time to stop that shit.
Or, it’s sending the message that Biden and Trump aren’t identical, at least in one “important” respect; if Trump wins, the door is open for a Progressive to get the Democratic nomination in 2024.
So, sit out this election and hope Trump wins, all so their ideal type of candidate has a better shot at being nominated in four years? That reasoning is despicable.
No matter who wins, real “progress” is likely to be impractical. We have to clean up what he broke before we can rebuild. How long will that take? We might pass and implement a butt-load of “green” policy, but they’ll look the next day and tell us it didn’t work yet, so we gotta give up.
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This idea will become a major message from the Bernie side if Biden gets the nomination. It will be touted as ‘what the smart people are doing.’
And of course it is based on a highly precarious assumption: that it will be business as usual in the USA in 2024, with Trump meekly leaving office despite the fact that he will be facing criminal investigation and likely indictment (in New York state if nowhere else).
To make this assumption requires a level of willful blindness to reality matched only by the early 1930s Germans who assumed they could “control” Hitler.
(And I don’t invoke Hitler lightly or carelessly.)
Yeah, that makes sense. The electorate would be saying that that Biden wasn’t far left enough, so they chose Trump instead? 
That logic abides as well as LET DAIRY DIE!
Or, you know… Didn’t vote at all. Because as much as you or anybody else might not understand it, many folks would rather sit out than vote for somebody they don’t think will carry forward with anything remotely resembling what they would like to see.
No, wanting a democratic socialist and settling for a Democrat is “remotely resembling what they’d like to see.” Not doing anything and getting four more years of Trump is settling for everything they’re opposed to.
Sure, rationally. But in the face of perceived futility, many (if not most) people don’t necessarily behave rationally.
Hell, when it comes to politics, I myself don’t behave rationally. Because I vote, period, in a state where my vote literally doesn’t count, because I’m a social and economic liberal in frickin’ Wyoming.
Um, what the fuck is Gabbard doing?
I believe you’re mistaken about that. She wore a lovely white A-line dress, a pretty scarf, and a smart green blazer. She looked better than fine.
Representing Vladimir Putin in this election. It’s telling that the only Americans who like her are right-wing republicans.
For those who didn’t see the photo, this is (presumably) snark, referencing what Jill Biden was wearing instead of the sweatpants worn by the protester. 
I missed your phrase “rush the stage” and thought the subject was Jill. The protester managed to look like a dog’s breakfast.
Ahhh…ok, lol. Agreed.
Not sure wherelse to post this since it doesn’t really pertain to OP - guess I have this Gabbard thing in my craw, and after seeing the DNC saying don’t bother with Phoenix on March 15, I get some (hopefully paranoid and competely unfounded) spidey feelings that Gabbard will take this rebuke as a major effrontery - AN OUTRAGE! - to justify trying to…aaaa I don’t want to go any further down any wierd road, there…