People said Obama couldn’t win because he was BLACK and people said Trump couldn’t win because he was a TREASONOUS MORON but the voters keep surprising us.
Also there are trade offs. Biden will demoralize liberals and young voters, while Sander swill demoralize moderates and older voters.
There is no win/win in this situation. If you want a candidate who excites liberals, the black vote, older voters and the youth vote, they don’t exist. Its a trade off.
Yeah, and how is that working out for people who thought their votes didn’t matter? How’s that working out for Latinos who have family members getting deported? How’s that working out for Black voters who see a Republican party working in overdrive to strip them of the right to vote? How’s that working out for women who are seeing their abortion rights essentially repealed? How’s that working out for ho-hum voters who complained about Obamacare but now realize they might not have shit else?
If you’re pissed off and complaining about life under Trump and don’t vote, fuck you, you deserve the shit river you’re swimming in.
Lots of young people have seen the massive failures of unregulated capitalism and regulatory capture. The brutal and unaffordable health care. Seeing the banks collapse and bring the world economy down with them. Unaffordable higher education. Unaffordable housing. Lack of job security. Low wages. Few benefits at work. Expensive daycare. A country where no matter which party wins, the rich and powerful maintain their cement like hold on power.
And when young people get upset about this, older people scream SOCIALISM at then like its supposed to shame them into ignoring the reality they see everyday.
People should listen to these voters rather than shame them because they don’t think what people want them to think.
He’s not going to get it done because people don’t want it done. 2020 is not the first year in which healthcare has been an issue. Obama got it done. It wasn’t perfect, but it was better than nothing, and it also made imagining M4A possible.
And they’re mad as hell and not going to take it anymore. They’re going to run out and vote for someone who isn’t a corporate Wall Street establishment closeted Republican. Youth turnout will surge! The politics of complacency are over! Radical change now!!!
Nah. Those petulant children can have a pat on the head, mommy will make them a hot pocket, and they can go back to the basement and get on the tweety bird.
At what point do Sanders supporters acknowledge that Sanders hasn’t grown his base in 5 years? He’s been campaigning practically continuously since 2016. His message never changes, he just repeats the same points over and over and over. He’s not doing as well in 2020 as he did in 2016. His base is with him, but no one else.
What is this magic messaging marketing trick he’s going to pull to persuade a majority of voters to support him, when he hasn’t been able to do it in 5 years? Now might be the moment to use it. Wasn’t tonight supposed to be the night?
As a Sanders supporter, one sad realization is the fact that in 2016 many Sanders supporters weren’t voting for Sanders, they were voting against Hillary Clinton. They didn’t like Sanders, they just disliked Hillary. Sanders is doing worse in states in 2020 than he did in 2016, including his home state.
But its also good because I assume a lot of people voting for Biden are voting ‘for’ Biden because they like him. And hopefully he has good turnout in November if he is the nominee. Hillary got about 66 million voters, but the democratic nominee is probably going to need at least 67-68 million to deal with the bias in the electoral college (Obama got 69 million in 2008). I really hope Biden has 70+ million voter turnout if he is the nominee when the general election happens.
