Dude! wasn’t really a good episode, but Dude! i loved the outcome anyways dude…
Matt might be on the block for having spilled his plan on making it a guy’s final. He’s playing a good game.
Rob must be terrified of Matt. He’s losing all the challenges to him and plus Matt is a contributor to the tribe. Still playing a good game, but he’s burned a lot of bridges with the jury.
Butch, i guess it took 30 plus days to finally see that you’re going crazy in the bush. So much airtime for such a ghost. Maybe you’re on the block too since you’ve got your minutes on camera.
Jenna, I think we’re all glad that she’s going to suffer more time in the Amazon. Oh poor me, I’m sick and I can’t take it any more. It’s going to be great seeing her lose her mind too, or whatever is in that thick skull of hers.
Heidi, too bad so sad to see you get voted out. You tried to play three more days but the powers that be opted for you. I guess your "mastermind"ing the whole entire time you were out there shows that you mastermind’ed your own demise… Yea, you wanted to be in the jury, yea and I’m sure you’re real happy being there.
Well, it’s 3 guys and a whore left. I hope the finale gets spicy and the reunion show gets even more spicier.
No, I do not think the producers set the fire. We had this same debate during Survivor 2, only then it was “did the producers throw the rice into the river?”
Mark Burnett et al. are opportunists. If a fire starts or a flood washes away a camp, they’re there to film it and make dramatic hay out of it. If not, we get more footage of interpersonal tension or Jenna’s whining.
There’s simply no need for the producers to rig things.
light strand, I thought it seemed staged as well. Especially the way the immunity necklace was only burnt on one side. Not necessarily that I believe they started the fire, but I sort of wondered if they controlled it. I mean, what if the thing hadn’t gone out after it burnt up their shelter? What if it had spread throughout the forest?
Yeah, that was a real shocker! (“How did I get elected Junior Deputy Firewood Bitch?”)
And Heidi’s delusions-on-parade at the TC just cracked my shit up! “I’ve been the mastermind…Three guys that are scared to death of me…” Wow.
And earlier, Jenna opined to Heidi that “Butch is a moron.” Thought I, “No he isn’t!”, but then he took like five minutes to put together a 7-piece puzzle…maybe she has a point.
Anyway, I was so happy to see Heidi go, especially since it means the prolonging of the poor little sorority bitch’s suffering, even if it’s only for a day. It was a smart move too, since Heidi had at least an outside chance of winning immunity. Jenna has none.
Final thought: Damn! didn’t Christy looked hot all cleaned up!
I agree. My frist thought was that the crew probably contained the fire. They probably let it do just enough demage to be really bad for the players, but they couldn’t let it get our of coutrol. It seemed to be nothing but smoke in areas where there was still plenty of stuff to burn.
I knew they were going to boot Heidi as soon as Jenna starting bitching. Heidi is no whiz at immunity challenges, but why take the chance? Yeah, they may have a few more days of Jenna whining, but what the heck?
I think both Rob and Matt are well aware of the fact that they can’t let Butch go to the end. It could get interesting if he figures this out and tries to ally w/ Jenna. Looks pretty good for a Rob/Matt finish, though.
I think that’s why Rob and Matt will cozy up to Jenna yet again to boot Butch at the first TC Sunday night. Rob has already played Jenna 3 straight TC’s–he won’t stop now, knowing that Butch would easily beat him in any F2 vote.
As always, however, any (non-spoilerish) predictions are pretty close to useless at F4. Any one immunity could totally screw up the contestants’ boot orders. We haven’t had the traditional “Remember Stuff About the Jury Members” contest yet, and Jenna could do well at that. And it may be time that they dumped the traditional F3 endurance challenge, so Matt might not be a lock for final immunity. This should still be interesting.
And I have the feeling the jury speeches are absolutely going to rock this time.
I loved the incredulous looks back and forth between some of the jurors in reaction to what they were hearing. And Drama Dave, covering up his face with his hands - was he laughing or crying???
In a nation that loses thousands of acres of forest each day to natural disaster and human pillage, I find it hard to believe that an American TV show would be allowed to burn even the smallest bit of land on purpose. But stranger things have happened, when money is involved…
hmmm, medium quality show – Rob says to Heidi he’s getting rid of her and does. No surprise. Matt wins reward (car) and immunity, no surprise. Jenna whines, no surprise. Enjoyable, but not stunning. Even the camp burning down was not a big dramatic moment in the grand scheme.
How did Rob and and Matt keep a straight face describing the Saturn as ‘cool’ and a ‘chick magnet’ ? Were they paid or just threatened to talk up the product?
Very odd how the editing played up Butch as being such an odd duck. As usual, the editing is probably hiding some of the real story and twisting things to play up wierd traits.
I liked how Alex turned to Christy after the vote to nuke Heidi: ‘I told you so.’ – Christy shrugs, ‘yep, you we’re right’. One wonders what cold shoulders will be evidenced betwixt Heidi and Christy at the Jury Lodge.
beckwall, not a bit of ‘land’ was burnt, some dead debris burned. Carbon to carbon, dust to dust. The land is still there. Get a grip. As wet as the area is, there’s little chance the fire would’ve gotten out of control. But I’d bet there were some folks standing by with extinguishers just in case.
I got such a kick out of Heidi stating in the same show that she deserved to be there at the end because she’s a hard worker and yet eariler in the show, she and Jenna flat out refused to rebuild the shelter.
Or, more importantly, did Alex manage to convince Christy that it was ROB who was responsible for getting Christy booted, and not the evil stepsisters? Because if Alex convinces Christy that it was Rob who betrayed her, then it will be really interesting to see who she’ll vote for if it’s a Rob v. Jenna final.
I’m sad to see Heidi go. For the last 3 or 4 weeks in a row, each week she has uttered something so stupid that it dwarfed all of her previous inane comments. Now we’ll never know if she can top the whole “mastermind” statement.
So who’s next? Everyone is in an interesting situation. From Rob’s point of view - he probably cannot beat Matt in F2, so he may need to get rid of him ASAP if he loses the F4 challenge. Rob would then have to roll the dice for the last challenge, hoping that either he or Jenna wins and takes the other to the final.
If Matt wins immunity again (obviously not outside of the realm of possibility, he hass dominated in physical and mental challenges), who goes then? The obvious choice would be Butch, but if I were Matt, I’d take the opportunity to appeal to Jenna’s alleged morals and get rid of Rob. Although he’d likely have a better chance against Rob than Jenna, he should be worried about the scenario I mentioned above, with Rob or Jenna taking each other. With Rob gone, he’s the most likely choice for Butch or Jenna to take to the final two, although he sure doesn’t want it to be Butch that takes him.
Oh, and I’m not a mean person, but I laughed my ass off when Jenna was lamenting her loss after the fire. What did she say? “Some of that stuff goes back 5, 6 years!” I’m sure the editing is partly to blame, but it’s funny how the others worried about clothing and shelter, and she worried about her sorrority crap.
Oh, and I also rolled with laughter when the “Believe in Yourself!” banner was consumed. I think the only time I laughed harder is when he brought that thing out in the first episode. Hmm, maybe I am a mean bastard.
My take on the fire was that the only reason it caught was because they weren’t changing out the palm fronds often enough–they dried out too much and caught. Only the palm fronds and their stuff burned up–the structure of the sleeping shelter was still all in one piece, but the palm fronds and clothes and stuff went up because it was all dried out. The still-fairly-green wood didn’t burn, and the fire couldn’t spread because all the ground cover was still green.
Am I just misremembering this, but has every single person who’s gone to tribal council with the attitude of “I’m in charge, I’m the one holding all the power” gotten voted off? Roger, Deena, Christy, HeiDDi…
I’ve gone from hating Rob to loving him - he’s hilarious! His “one halfwit left” and “firewood bitch” comments were gold. And talking about “if Matt goes back to Asia, or whichever planet he originally came from” - I’m glad he’s still around, just for the humor.
And Slacker I had the same thought about Jenna’s “heirlooms”. Who the heck brings “irreplaceable” items with them on Survivor? Of course, this is the same woman who went on the show when her mother had a brain tumor, and then bitched and moaned about how worried she was, so I shouldn’t be surprised.
I’m almost wondering if Heidi wanted to leave the game. I have a hard time believing that anyone, even her, would not think those comments would get her the boot. And if by some miracle she hadn’t been voted off, she just lost huge points with the jury! Way to go “Mastermind”.
minty green I don’t know how well Jenna would do in a “know your tribemates” game. She didn’t seem to make much of an effort with the people she didn’t think were “cool”. I’d imagine Butch would have a better chance than anyone, he seems to be more of a “people person”. But I agree that the jury speeches and questions will be great this year.
What’s the deal with the Zeta jacket? It’s supposed to be “passed down from sister to sister”. If that’s so, then why hadn’t she passed it down to another sister? Personally, I can see her back in the World: “Waaaaah! My sorority jacket was burned up! Poor me!” “There, there,” say the sisters, “We all got together and bought you a new jacket. Let’s have a ‘passing down the jacket’ ceremony!”
Mastermind- heh heh heh, talk about clueless. I also enjoyed the stupified looks on their faces when they saw the burned camp.
The “the fire was set” conjecture seems just plain silly. Butch had placed a big stack of wood “to dry” next to an unattended fire. Gee, what a shock, it spread. Just like the boat floating away last Survivor, tired and hungry people do stupid things. Seeing they tape everything it is not a surprise they caught it on tape.
I predict:
Jenna is gone first. Seems clear she is getting annoying and cannot be trusted. She will be flushed first.
Next will come Butch, unless he wins immunity. If he does, out goes Matt.
Assuming Rob or Matt wins immunity, out goes Butch. He is too well liked by most of the jury.
So it is Rob and Matt. Hokey, stupid, time wasting torch walk follows- then Matt wins the million by 2 votes. I predict some good fireworks when Rob gets his questions, especially from the duncetastic duo.
lol don’t remind me of the solemn torch-walk. :shudder:
Side question - I think we touched on this briefly before, but why is it necessary to keep the fire burning while they’re not there? Don’t they have flints and/or matches by now with which to easily start a new fire when they need one?
Fear not Slacker. You always have the final Tribal Council and wrap-up to look forward to.
At the last TC, she gets to speak and ask a question giving her two opprtunities to look like a loon. Bonus comedy points will happen if she tries to give the vindictive speech of the year. Extra bonus points if her question actually revolves around her rather than the final two.
And, Probst is sure to question her about some of the stupid things she and Jenna said, specifically about being a mastermind and about this supposed high work ethic that is dubiously bolstered by multiple shots of suntanning and refusals to help.
I liked that too Slacker. “Some of this stuff has been passed down from generation to generation. It goes back like, 5 or 6 years!” (I’m paraphrasing, I don’t remember how she worded it exactly, I was giggling)
elf6c I don’t think the producers started the fire, but I think they controlled it…half of Butch’s poster burning, half of the immunity idol, and Rob’s 8 ball melting just seemed like a set up. Oh yeah, I liked Heidi’s comment here too “I wish my stuff had burned up too, that way I could feel what they all are feeling!” Empathy Heidi.
(“How did I get elected Junior Deputy Firewood Bitch?”)