Survivor Spoilers Thread (The Sequel)

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With respect to the gay thing, I knew a guy once who was so masculine that all we other guys envied and emulated him. One day, out of the blue, he announced to us in a filled living room that he was gay. After the stunned silence, we all started laughing, “Oh, yeah sure, man. We are too, he he!” We didn’t believe him. But then he, er, um, demonstrated to our satisfaction that he was indeed.

On the way other hand, I knew a guy once who was so effeminate that we all thought he just had to be gay. But after several years of knowing him, it turns out he wasn’t. He was just very prissy and meticulous.

So, I know you meant no harm, but it makes more sense to ask how Brandon could possible be more effeminate than to ask how they could possibly be more gay.

That is very solid reasoning. Barring any weird and crazy stuff, I think that’s a really likely scenario.

If they did that, how would they eat or drink?

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One of the big conflicts seemed to involve what time they got up. What are your thoughts on why the elders wanted to get up and at em so early, and why the younguns wanted to stay abed?

How hot is it there? If scorching, I can imagine the old farts wanted to haul water and get stuff done before the sun got too high. OTOH, it doesn’t seem as tho they have so much to fill their days that some chores couldn’t have waited until later.

I can imagine the ground being less than comfortable to sleep on, so it wouldn’t be like wanting to stay in a nice comfy bed. And if you aren’t sleeping well anyways, might want to get up and do something. OTOH, not sure why the young pups wanted to stay asleep. Looks like they would have plenty of opportunity to nap throughout the day.

Struck me as a kinda wierd thing for them to clearly draw battlelines over.

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Lib, I think at that point the older people should have said, “This is our water, and you can’t have it until you get off your asses.”

For some unknown cosmic reason, I missed last night’s episode. Don’t ask - it just slipped my mind. I feel like an idiot. However, could someone tell me what the questions were all about?

Shylock, the question round was last year’s Survivor II, and it was actually an immunity challenge - the last one I believe. It wasn’t a tie breaker. There were two tie breakers last year - Keith v. Mitchell (Mitchell had one previous TC vote, Keith zero) and Jeff v. Colby (Jeff had two votes, Colby none).

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Uh – are you? Not that there’s anything wrong with it. :wink:

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A really good episode summary, complete with questions, is available by clicking on the Episode 3 summary I linked to above.

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Hey, like, I’m not gay or nuthin’ but I’d really like to make love with you tonight. [sub]Apologies to Orgasmo[/sub]

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Munch, thanks for clarifying that.

I’ll jump in here on the generation gap thing - I watched it w/ my wife (I’m mid 30’s, she’s late 20’s). Both of us were almost physically angry at the end when Carl lost. Basically we couldn’t believe what a bunch of lazy shits the youngsters were. I mean, that whole scene where the kids cook breakfast for themselves only while the elders are out getting water?

I’m wondering if there’s a generation gap here at the SDMB in how these two groups are thought of? Anyone?

Note: Linda and her earth spirits however are getting old fast.

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What a stupid “strategy.”

It’s one thing to form an alliance. It’s another to arrogantly flaunt it. They have guaranteed that at merger, whichever of the oldsters are still around will seek out alliances with the other tribe, which will likely leave the sambucatots in a minority. Furthermore, they have so enraged the oldsters that even if one of the Gen Xers makes it to the final, the older Sambucans will be actively working against them in the final vote.

What a bunch of maroons…

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I definitely align with the boomer Samburus–I would’ve tried to find a way to feed a gen-xer to a lion. It reminded me very much of parents living with teenagers–ones who sleep while the chores are being done, stagger out of their room at noon scratching their butts and asking what’s for breakfast.

And what was that with the fried rice? “let’s eat 'em all…hee hee…we’re so cute”!!!

It’ll be interesting to see if they win any more challenges without adult supervision.

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As long as you don’t want to cuddle afterwards.

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If I recall correctly, the Gen-X’ers were the ones who came up with the idea of using the big “O” in their signal.

I wonder why they couldn’t light the “S” wood on fire to make the distress signal better? Was it against the rules?

I also felt cheesed about the Gen-X’ers feeling fine about eating all the breakfast while the Boomers were getting water.

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Maybe I’m just nitpicking here, but I’m Generation X and resent being classed in the same category as these lazy-ass Survivor losers. I suspect they’re really more in the Millenial Generation.(I call them, “Generation Whine.”)

This site: http://www.cc.colorado.edu/Dept/EC/generationx96/genx/genx9.html claims that Gen X is comprised of those born in 1961-1981. (This is the same age Douglas Coupland was targeting when he wrote “Generation X.” Anybody here read that?) I bet those so-called Gen X Survivors were all born after or around 1981.

I realize this could be debatable, because of course that would make them all younger than 20. I’m sure you all have the ages of each Survivor memorized by now. If anything, I’ll concede that these folks are on the younger end of Gen X and therefore their personalities may fit Gen. Whine a little more accurately. I doubt any of them ever played Pac Man in an arcade or saw “Fast Times at Ridgemont High” in a movie theater.

The sweeping Gen X generalization is annoying me to no end. What is pissing me off the most is Bubba Goat F*&cker blaming the slackness of four losers on an entire generation. Thanks, Bubba, but some of us know how to survive, work toward survival and get along with assholes like you. (Note to Goat F*&cker – not to any dopers.) We just don’t happen to be on Survivor III.

Look what that same site said about Generation Whine: “They are very materialistic, selfish, and disrespectful. They are very aware of the world and very technologically literate. They are trying to grow-up too fast, and have no good role models to look towards.”

Case in point.

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Point well taken, dogzilla. I will refrain from calling them “Gen-X”, and will henceforward refer to them as “whiny lazy selfish brats”.

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I agree with the poster that notes that the TEEN PUNKS are screwed come merger. If their tribe wins at the merger, the remaining oldies will jump ship. If they go into the merger down, they are equally screwed. I have changed my favorite to win it all to Lex. (already my favortie overall).
I thought tom was a goat farmer not a plumber.

Kelly is worthless.

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And also because this group had never been to TC before, so no one had any votes yet.

Who was it that brought the paint? What was she thinking to have picked a couple of jars of acrylic paint as a luxury item? It sure worked for them.

I liked when one of them (I think on Samburu) said something about a “totally new and unique challenge” when refering to the immunity challenge.
Uh, no, Dopey, they did it on S1 as a reward challenge.

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I think we all know that not all gay people act effeminate and not all those who act effeminate are indeed gay. That doesn’t change the fact that Brandon a.) acts stereotypically gay (that is, the way that people use as a cliche for “gay” behavior) and b.) is, in fact, gay. This is all that we all meant. He is a self-parody.

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That was Survivor: Outback’s final Immunity Challenge. As near as I can tell, up to last night, ties had always been broken by previous votes, with Mitchell’s ouster being one of the first.

-Myron

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The boulder-rolling challenge was great. Whatever it was made of, it was clearly quite heavy and not at all easy to control. This is one of the few genuinely exciting things about Survivor, watching them go head-to-head in a challenging contest. (Valuable lesson for all you aspiring kayakers out there…don’t miss a gate!) Despite Salon’s claims, nobody was “flattened”. Ethan Zohn got squeezed pretty tight in the beginning, but that was it. Kim Johnson and Kelly Goldsmith lost the pace a bit in the first stretch, and Samburu’s rock knocked them aside, out of harm’s way. Both Frank Garrison and Tom Buchanan took a tumble, but again out of harm’s way.

I was a little surprise that the “Necklace Four” went after Carl Bilancione and not Frank Garrison. But they seemed to genuinely dislike Carl (his already being well off was just part of it), and they probably figured that with the obvious rift, if they didn’t win this one, there was no point in going after Frank anyway. I think the tiebreaker was completely fair. Note that in both previous Survivors, a question and answer contest was used at some point. So it’s only common sense to be prepared at all times…like a real survivor would be, natch?

Carl’s beef against “Generation X” (IMHO, the Necklace Four is a little too young for that label) may have been valid, but even so, he missed the point. Remember, this is a CONTEST. It doesn’t always go to the one with the best work ethic or best morals. (How much did Tina Wesson ever do?) Plotting, developing strategies, and thinking of ways to bump off everyone else is the work. Straight men make great citizens and lousy Survivor contenders.

Linda Spencer is just plain weird, and that definitely works against her. I don’t take her talk of gods and Mother Africa too seriously…she sounds a lot more like a preacher (a la Billy Graham or Pat Robertson) than a serious spiritualist. Nonetheless, her divergent views make her unpredictable, hence dangerous, and don’t think that the rest of Samburu doesn’t know it.

Frank is toast. Period. He reminds me of a know-it-all teacher or counselor; he’s right about a lot of things, but you don’t want to hear it from him. Don’t forget one of the prime directives of this show: get Richard, and get him fast. He won’t be spared.

With that, it’s doubful as to whether any of Samburu’s “oldtimers” will make it to the merge. Yes, Boran lost the first two immunity challenges, but that seemed to light a fire under the remaining six and make them more cohesive. They may actually be a better off without Diane Ogden and Jessie Camacho, clearly their two weakest members. Now that Samburu is facing an all-out civil war, it’s a wonder if they even want to win any more immunity challenges. There’s a possibility that Boran could go to the merge with an advantage.

But Frank is toast no matter what. And Tom isn’t looking too good, either.

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Ahhh… so much to cover—

Mark my words… Samburu sinks like a rock…

Borans’ losses have served to bring them closer… Samburu’s early success has made them cocky and divided. At this point it’s still a team game… Boran will make a big time comeback.

It’s interesting the different takes on the gen gap that showed. As a “GenX” person myself… I saw the adults complaining about them being lazy, yada yada… and it appeared that opposed to being lazy, the younger generation were doing things differently… So they didn’t wake up early and get cracken’ first thing. Does that mean that when water needed to be gotten at 11 instead of 6 it wouldn’t have been done? No… since the old people had already done it, there was now no longer work to be done. Appearance=lazy youngsters.

I talked to my parents who basically felt that the younguns shouldn’t have excluded themselves from the team. And if the team was getting water, like it or not, they should help the team by getting up… and taking a nap later.

I just thought that the perception of the show as viewed by different ages was completely different… and I’m wondering if it is along the same lines here.

As a whole, I don’t know that the young people here are lazy. One person (I forgot who) said if the old people stopped working, how would they eat? Believe me, they’d eat, you need not worry about that. Although they certainly are playing the game a lot better. I think if both parties were willing to compromise a bit, they would both find that they are pleasantly surprised by the other side. Right now its just like a bad marriage.

Linda’s spiritual trip really got old on me after the first episode… and continues to get worse. I can not WAIT until this woman gets voted off.

Boran, even down a player right now, has really got the inside edge right now. I"m looking there for the winner… barring a catastrophic event like what happened in the last survivor. (Although Silas is a dark horse, because he is playing the game very well right now. That is whats important.)

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Someone else already mentioned it here or in the other Survivor thread that they wanted to get up and get the water early, before it got too hot. Then they can rest during the real heat of the day. Remember, they have to boil the water before drinking it. You want to go get water (how far is it to the water?), come back and sit around the roaring fire to purify it, during the hottest part of the day? Not me. Get up, get the work done while it’s still relatively cool, then sit around and rest.

And for them to make and eat breakfast while the oldsters were getting water (for everyone, I might add) was incredibly stupid, not to mention incredibly rude. Didn’t someone (Brandon?) mention that Lindsey left some food for them in the fire and that it was now burned?
Right now, the game is about being a team. They need to be strong as a team to win immunity. After the merge, of course, it’s pretty much every man for himself, though.

What were they eating? Rice patties?