If one is to believe that the events in T2 actually took place, then the “Machine Wars” of T3 will never have existed, so they can;t take place.
So why the fuck are they making the movie?
Arnold is on the downside of his career, so his name alone isn;t going to be a box office draw. Cameron is having nothing to do with this one, so that’s strike 2.
Am I missing something? If so, what am I missing?
$$$$$$$$$$$$
I recently saw T2, and they did leave an out for a sequel: Arnie’s terminator left one of its arms in the steel mill (or some part like that). So it’s not inconsistent with the earlier movies.
But yeah, I’d have to agree with Mr. Blue Sky on this one.
Holy shit! Can we say fuck in Cafe?
Fuckin’ A!
Not this often. Cool it.
Their has to be a War of the Machines so that Terminators can exist to go back in time and prevent the War of the Machines.
The argument will be that you cannot stop the future, you can only change it slightly. All that was really achieved was a delay, an alteration of their known history to a variation.
I dunno. It’s all a bit confusing when you think about it too hard.
Like GuanoLad said, the war has to have happned, otherwise the terminator wouldn’t have been sent back in time, John wouldn’t have been born, the teminators wouldn’t have been created, then a rift in the time/space continuum would appear, and all of existance would be wiped out. Did you pay attention to Back to the Future?
I don’t mind the movie coming out. There was a comic story that came out soon after T-2 that started with police detectives finding the terminator’s arm in the steel mill, and thus giving way for the research to continue. So, it set things back a few years, that’s no biggy. What bugs me is that this movie is supposed to take place at the beginning of the war, and yet there’s already a new terminator better than the T-500 series, and possibly the T-1000. I don’t know much about it, except that it’s going to be a chick. That doesn’t bug me, because according to the first one, not all of the T-500 looked the same. The fact that she’s going to be super advanced pisses me off. I remember hearing something about her being “electricity based,” but that was a while back, so who knows? It’d be nice to see a futuristic war movie, but anyone wanting to do that could have done it without the Terminator connection.
But as others have stated, then the studio wouldn’t get paid as much.
(And here I thought the OP was referring to superfast networking… heh)
Think of it this way. T2 made a zillion dollars. The rule in Hollywood is that only the last sequel loses money (i.e., they keep making 'em till they can’t turn a profit). It would be pure folly for them not to make another.
And then there’s this - if they’re gonna make a T3, wouldn’t it be best if Arnold was in it? Can you imagine a T3 without him? I’m just glad he’s in it, and not some low-level action dude like Jean-Claude Van Damme, Steven Segal, or even Jeff Speakman!
The reason Furlong isn’t going to be in it, from what I heard, is because he was kicked off the project due to his substance abuse.
I hate spoiler tags; so you get to deal with a little blank space instead.
I read the T3 book (actually pretty good, believe it or not). The premise is that SkyNet detects a probability gap that in alternate pasts it was never created and deduces the reason why, i.e. that the first two movies ended the way they did.
It creates, modifies and trains a human-based Terminator and sends her back, along with nifty things like the plans and alternate materials list for an Arnold-style Terminator (she ends up making, I think, 6 of them). The she-Term is way more advanced than even the T1000, because it was organically programmed throughout its entire life by SkyNet. Think a cult member with cyborg enhancements.
Sarah and John have scooted down to Paraguay and settled into a reasonably comfortable life. Arnold is the retired Euro commando (where have we seen this before) who buys the ranch next to them.
Of course, standard wacky highjinks then ensue.
I don’t know if the movie will even remotely fit with the book, but that’s the gist. I know I’m going to catch a matinee of it anyway.
It sounds pretty interesting, except for one plotpoint that keeps getting glanced over in every movie/story I’ve ever read:
SKYNET FELL!!!
The first terminator was a “last ditch effort.” Reese followed it through, and they blew the portal. How the FUCK does Skynet have enough time to annalyse the time streem, figure out the cause of this disturbance, then create the most advanced system they’ve ever made all within the matter of minutes before the place blew?
This is like watching a sequel of a film where one of the characters who died in the original is alive and kicking and nobody says anything about it. DO SOMETHING ORIGINAL!!!
And it’s pure coincidence that he happens to look just like a T-500?
Actually, his character was (coincidentally) the physical architype on which the T500 design was based.
I guess if SkyNet is actually destroyed, and can’t send anything back in time to stop itself from being destroyed, then John Connor won’t actually become the leader of the resistance, and won’t send anyone back in time to stop Skynet from stopping John Connor from stopping SkyNet. Yep, makes perfect sense to me.
Except now Reese won’t go back in time to stop SkyNet, so John Connor won’t be born, so SkyNet will triumph, so John Connor will have to stop Skynet, so he actually WILL be born, except if he doesn’t then he isn’t so he can’t, but if he does then he wouldn’t because he’d have no reason to. See?
And that’s why we need the 3rd movie. Because with no third movie, then the 1st and 2nd ones wouldn’t exist.
Wasn’t Arnie’s model the T-800?
Ah. The boxed set on my shelf is merely a hallucination. 
And like, wouldn’t the Cyborgs and computer thingy realize that…SENDING SOMEONE BACK IN TIME DOESN’T WORK???
Because they always FAIL!!!
:smack:
Did he actually leave one of his arms in the steel mill? I thought he melted in the vat, and the other arm and chip were thrown in too.
However, even with that, and all the research they destroyed, that doesn’t mean a terminator couldn’t be created. Some research may have been kept where even Dyson didn’t know about it (btw, did anyone else find it amusing that the inventor of the Terminator had the same name as the inventor of the bagless hoover?) some may have been in secure caches online, and even supposing all Dyson’s work really was wiped out, that doesn’t prevent someone else coming up with the same idea. Possibly one of the people Dyson was working with, whose memories would not have been wiped.
I still don’t particularly want a T3, though. No Linda Hamilton? That’s just not right.
I thought Arnie was a Cyberdyne Systems 101.
His left arm was chewed off in the steel mill by one of the giant gear-thingies, but aside from representing an interesting mechanical acheivement, the arm itself is useless. The implication was that the chip was crucial, and both chips were destroyed in T2.
The extended-play version of T2 is interesting, but I’m glad they made the edits they did, since none of the extra footage is really crucial to the plot and some of the scenes just play like useless exposition.
His left arm was chewed off, but I thought that was the arm they used in their research, the arm which John threw into the vat.
Quote from the first movie on Arnie’s designation: ‘Not a man. A Terminator. Cyber Dynamics Model 101.’