Taking the Bar Exam in Seven Days: pravnik's journal

Today: Wednesday, July 24, 2002
Bar Exam Starts: Tuesday, July 30, 2002

Bar Exam now seven days away. Got up at 8:30, unable to sleep. Only got 4 hours. Must leave to go to school with Joe and Migs to study. Anticipate 12-15 hours study. 12 hours yesterday. Introduced to several topics I already should have known. Find this disturbing. Seriously regretting boozing it up 4th of July. Am told by fellow students they are sure I will pass. Anticipate extreme embarassment if I do not. Anticipate more embarassment from having posted journal on message board if I do not pass. Coffee drank, cups: 3. Should not be on freaking internet at all.

Body appearance: pasty, flabby. Slight dryness of mouth. Tingling feeling. Am worried lack of sleep not good.

Time: D-Day minus 6. or maybe 7. Am unable to do simple math.

Is the Bar Exam done on the same day all across the country? Reason I ask, there’s a girl I went out with a couple of months ago who said she’d get back with me after she passes the Bar which was to be at the end of July. Not that I expect that to happen but it just piqued my curiosity since yours is at the same time.

I can only imagine what you are going through pravnik.

My sis is taking the California bar 30 July-1 August (3 days long out here) and she is a total stress case. Her birthday was this past Sunday–that was the first time I have actually spoken with her in weeks!

Happy studying and I hope you are able to get some rest. Much luck to you! :slight_smile:

Max, most states’ bar exams include a multiple choice section know as the Multistate Bar Exam. Every state that uses it administers it on the same day. This summer, that day is July 31.

In most states, the exam also includes an essay portion, which is adminstered the day before or after the MBE.

Having taken and passed the Pennsylvania bar several years ago, I sympathize with pravnik. It’s a tough experience. Law school doesn’t teach you everything that’s on the exam, so bar review courses are an absolute necessity. I had quite a few 12-15 hour study sessions myself. But then, a few days before the exam, I slowed down to just a few hours a day. I simply reached the point where I knew everything I was ever going to know for the exam, and marathon study sessions weren’t going to accomplish anything except tiring me out. I hope you reach that point soon. Good luck!

pravnik, allow me to concur with the “advice” given by Mystery Dog. Took the Georgia Bar myself, only 7 (my god, 7) years ago. At least don’t cram the day before, you won’t learn much in that last day anyway. Have a nice dinner, a beer or glass of wine, and get to bed early. By going in relaxed and well-rested you will more than make up for anything you could have learned in the final 24 hours. Good luck.

** Prav ** being a verteran of two state’s bar exams, I feel your pain…

Water is your friend. Don’t regret July 4th, you needed it. Don’t choose this time to learn/study up on future interests. Get out your PMBR book and run practice questions–do a whole test (or at least half) this will prepare you.

Last minute cramming on things you are familiar with is ok, don’t try to learn anything new…

Food is your friend the day of the exam, but MAKE SURE it is harmless food such as cookies or dried fruit or cereal. DON’T chance getting sick.

You will do fine!

Hey, Prav! I took the Illinois bar in July 2000. I was convinced that I did not pass - especially after seeing the essay question on the Rule against Perpetuities. You know what? I passed.

Uh, I sure didn’t relax and have a glass of wine, though - I studied up until the last second. I admit that I had plenty of summer days in a pool with a corona in my hand - you can still do it. Hang in there!

Tibs.

4:30 Wednesday, July 4th

Studied family law 5 1/2 hours. Despite buddy Migs efforts to distract by putting on puppet show with socks, had serious sleep deprivation bug-out. Came home to nap.

Saw kind responses, thanked everybody. Made promise to stop speaking in “Bridget Jones Diary” narrative after awakening.

Yo, hoss! How’d you do on day 1? I posted in my LiveJournal about my experience…thought maybe you’d like to tell us about yours.

Howdy Max, and everybody. Thanks again for all your kind responses and last minute tips.

I did indeed plan on keeping everyone updated during that last week; unfortunately I forgot to pay the old phone bill in the hubbub and couldn’t post over the weekend. The last six days of studying were nerve-wracking. I did learn my lesson on the sleep deprivation

Like Tibs, I studied for the most part right up to the wire, but I did go out and have a few beers before I went to bed. I was too nervous to hold them down, and I barfed. Got to bed about 11.

So I got up this morning about six and met study pals Migs and Joe and ate a tasteless breakfast. Made a quick stop-off at the Catholic church so the religious types could pray, and the non-religious types could pray anyway. Then we wen’t to the Astrodome Astrohall to test with about 1300 other hopefuls/fearfuls.

The first portion of the test was procedure and evidence, 20 questions on civil and 20 questions on criminal. Strangely, once I actually began taking the test the sick feeling I’ve had for the last month and a half went away and I was able to just focus on the task at hand. This portion was an hour and a half long, about 2 or 2 and a half minute per question. I was on question 18 when the halfway mark was announced, and was a little surprised I was a bit behind schedule and a bit fearful. I picked up the pace a little and was able to answer all the questions. For the most part the questions were pretty straightforward, general venue, Batson challenges, that sort of thing, stuff they’d asked in previous years… They did throw a curveball or two; one question involved a priest being asked on the stand about confessional. I didn’t know if Texas recognized the priest/ penitent privilige, I guessed they did. Lucky guess, we do. A few I guessed at and got wrong or partially wrong, a few more I guessed at and got right or partially right. most I knew, a couple I knocked out of the park. My arm hurt like hell.

After the Procedure and Evidence, I was feeling much, much better. I felt like I did pretty good. We had a short to stretch and pee, no talking allowed, and came backfor the MPT.

The MPT, for those unfamiliar, is the Motion Practice Test. The same one is used all over America. They give you a fictional task with fictional facts (write a client letter, draft a memo, prepare a closing argument, etc.) and a file of fictional statutes and cases to read and use. Some are relevant and some aren’t. You have an hour and a half to read all the material, sift out what’s relevant and what isn’t, and write your thingie. It’s more a test of organizational and lawyering skills than of knowledge.

I took a half hour to read the material. I hadn’t really practiced for the MPT, focusing on the substantive material instead. I think I did okay, though. A few issues I would have liked to develop a little more but you just can’t do everything in the limited time provided. At a minimum I think I at least wrote pretty clearly and spottedmost of the issues. The main problem is my handwriting; I write (print actually) poorly in the first place, and after an hour and a half, well…I’m sure some grader will soon be saying, “this is amazing. They let a six year old take the Bar Exam?”

Tomorrow, the MBE; Multistate bar exam. This one, again for the unintiated, is a six hour 200 question multiple choice test, three hours in the am and three in the pm. The same one is given in all or almost all states simultaneously. It tests general principles of law. I feel pretty good about this one, I’ve always been good with multiple choicing. Still, test scores in Texas are down in recent years; even 15th in the nation University of Texas got an unprecedented 55% or so overall bar passage (meaning 45% failed) last February. I’ll let you all know tomorrow how everything goes.

-prav

FYI re Bar Exam procedure…

The Multistate Bar Exam (MBE) is offered by almost all, if not all, states as part of the Bar Exam. It is given on the same day nationwide, once in summer and once in winter. It’s given on a Wednesday every time.

Then, the states make students take essay exams on either the preceding Tuesday, the following Thursday, or both. California, for instance, is a 3-day Bar.

I believe New York is a 2-day Bar, as is New Jersey. One of them offers essays on the preceding Tuesday, and the other offers essays on the following Thursday. That way, you can sit for

(1) the New Jersey essays on Tuesday;

(2) the MBE on Wednesday for New York AND New Jersey simultaneously; and

(3) the New York essays on Thursday.

If you pass both exams, you will be admitted to two state bars having taken only one MBE.

Some states offer reciprocity, meaning both states will accept your Bar pass from the other state. California does not offer recirocity with any other state.

Good luck, Prav! Sorry to hear that your state Bar includes family law. BLECH!

Thanks, Bearflag.

Day 2, Wednesday morning. Here I go.

Sorry to hear you are having to go through the archaic fraternal hazing ritual AKA the bar exam.

If I can avoid a senior moment while looking back 16 years, the IL state essay portion was easily passable on organization and correct subject identification alone.

The multi-state was a joke. At first I kept track of the number of questions where after reading the question I knew the answer, and then saw the correct answer among the offered choices. Out of the first 75, there were exactly 3 such questions. Instead, they had all of those bullshit “least incorrect” type of answers. Which pissed me off, so I simply blew through the rest of the test as quickly as possible, and - as they would not allow early finishers to leave the room - read the paper. Obviously passed based on first impressions alone.

Was fun to learn how different the testing rooms were depending on where your last name fell in the alphabet. In our room, we were bumping elbows with each other. Other folk tell me that they could not even touch their neighbors (had they wanted to). I was seated next to my wife, so I took advantage of the opportunity to compare our answers. The booklets had 2 questions per page. The test-makers were very clever, and reversed the order of questions on each page. No one could possibly figure that one out! I stopped looking at her answers when I saw that virtually none of ours matched.

Oh yeah - and they were tearing up the street outside our room that day. Literally - with one of those huge machines that grinds up the asphalt and spits it into trucks. Wonderful concentration aide!

Well, we both passed (no idea by how much or how little), and earned our tickets into the game. Which is all bar passage is. Certainly not a measure of competence to practice law.

Take some satisfaction out of the fact that at this moment you know more about more diverse areas of the law than you ever will again through your legal career.

Anyone else having bad post-traumatic-type flashbacks?

Bar exams . . . :: shiver :: Good luck, PRAV.

:: shudder :: I took two, and will never take another one again!!!

Good luck to all SDMB’ers taking that pointless rite of passage…

Day 2: Post- MBE

Hooooollly crap. What the hell was that?

I would post the blow by blow, but I just got the snot beat out of me. Dinsdale was right; 190 “pick the least worst answer” questions. I’ll give the whole story after the essay tommorrow for those still tuned in, but for now I’d better go study.

Yeep.

Sorry, should be Dinsdale. I can’t even code straight.

gets out pom poms

I never cheered or anything, but you’re doing something worthy here. One last day, kick it and you’re all done.

Yeah, PRAV, when I hear people say “It’ll be easy! It’s multiple choice!” I laugh a low and bitter laugh and mutter “multi-state.” Then I sit in a corner, rocking, and twirling a piece of my hair, while trying to retreat to my Happy Place.

Thanks again, guys. Finished day three essays yesterday, waking up with hangover. I kind of panicked on the first few of my six morning essays and they were probably hasty and somewhat illegible. I calmed down a bit for the pm essays and did much better…at least until I got to the tax question. I made up so much law on that one they should make me a judge.

So overall, I feel like I passed, but I don’t know. Lotsa smart folk take the thing and only 75% of them overall make it. So, I’ll just have to bite my nails till November. In the meantime…vacation time for prav.