Tell me about becomming a Pilot

I’m interested in possibly pursuing a career as a pilot, and I was hoping some Dopers with experience in the field could give me some info. I haven’t scheduled an introductory flight yet, but I have the number for a local airport/flight training school and am going to call about that soon.

Basically, I want to hear about your experiences in flight school and in your career, how much it cost you to get all your training, what a pilot’s life is like, etc. I’ve read several articles on becomming a pilot, but they are a bit contradictory in some areas. One said you need a bachelor’s degree in Aviation Science, while another said you can have a bachelor’s degree in any field and all that really matters is your actual flight training. For the record, I have a bachelor’s degree in an unrelated field, and I’m 29 and in good health.

Thanks for any information.

Since none of the professional pilots here have checked in yet, I’ll give my 2 cents. I’ve seriously considered going down this path in the past, but I’ve decided against it in the end.

Any bachelor’s degree should be just fine. The typical progression in the US without going through the military is that you start out with the private pilot certificate, and then as you slowly gain more flight experience, you add on the instrument rating, commercial certificate, multi-engine rating, and the flight instructor certificate. At this point, you’ll be able to be paid for your service as a pilot. I haven’t looked into it closely recently, but I think it costs in the range of $50000 - $100000 to get there nowadays, depending on the school and how the training is structured. You’ll most likely work as a flight instructor for a while, with maybe some odd charter jobs here and there, before you build up enough flight experience to be hired by a regional airline.

If it is at all feasible, I’ll suggest that you start training for your private certificate for now before making any further commitment. It will cost around $10000. This will allow you to take a closer look at what it’s like and meet other pilots, and you’ll be able to make a more informed decision then. The road is very long and difficult, and you need to really, really, really love flying in order to succeed. Maybe you’ll find that you love it so much that you want to go all the way through with it as a career. Or maybe you’ll find that you like it enough as a hobby, but not as a career. For myself, I’ve decided that I really like flying, but I don’t think it’s enough for me to stick it out all the way to the bitter end.

Make sure you pick a reputable flight school and you get along well with your instructor. You’ll be spending a lot of time together. I went to the “lowest bidder” for my commercial ticket, since it is supposed to be a fairly quick and straightforward add-on at that point and it doesn’t really teach anything new that is needed in real-life. It was a horror show all the way through and I would never do that again. Their aircraft were so poorly maintained that the checkride had to be discontinued TWICE due to equipment failure, one of them being a real inflight emergency, with an asymmetrically retracted flap and jammed aileron. Yup, it was that bad.

Early on in this process, you’ll need to get a medical certificate. Very briefly, a “Third Class” medical (which is the easiest to get) wll be adequate for general pleasure flying, a “Second Class” is needed for some limited commercial flying, and a “First Class” medical will be needed to fly for the airlines.
If your goal is to truly become an airline pilot, I’d recommend that when you get you first medical, go ahead and tell your flight surgeon what your plans are, and that you want a First Class medical now. If for some medical reason the flight surgeon can’t issue you an unrestricted First Class medical, then you’ll know now (before investing years and $$$) that you cannot become an airline pilot, and you can make other career plans.

Professional flight instructor here, and I agree with what’s been posted so far. But hit me with any other questions you may have in this thread, or send me a PM.

Is that figure correct? For a PPL? I think I paid around one, maybe two grand for mine. That was back around 1999-2000 (at a flying club, not a flight school). Has inflation hit that hard?

I’m curious, Justin, why you’re looking to do this at age 29. Being a commercial pilot is not the career it used to be. I wanted to be one as a kid, and now I’m glad I didn’t go that route. From what I’ve heard from friends in the field, it seems to me that things don’t get really comfortable until you get some seniority at one of the majors. And to do that takes a long, long time. Until then it’s regionals, puddle jumpers, a lot of scut-filled first-officer time, risk of layoff, etc.

I tell people to plan on about $10k. That factors in the medical exam, books, testing fees, etc.

When I learned to fly ten years ago a Piper Warrior rented for $60 / hr wet at the local flight school. Now it’s $110. Not sure how that works out as far as inflation vs. actual costs rising, but it sure feels different.

Prices vary depending on where you are, and of course how often you fly and your ability, but I think that’s a realistic ballpark figure where I am in the Chicago metro area. Yeah, things have got a lot more expensive nowadays. I got my PPL in 96-97, and it cost me about 3 - 4 grand back then. I trained in C152s that cost around $40 - $50 per hour, I think, and C172s cost about $70/hr. C152s are now much harder to find than they used to, and even at the shitty place I went to, C172s go for about $120/hr now.

Start with a 3rd class medical. If for some reason you can’t pass a first class medical you can’t go back. You can ask if you would have passed a 1st class because they will certainly test you at that level as a matter of practice.

Thanks, exeryone, for the advice so far. One thing I’m still not clear on is, after I get my PPL, how long does it take after that to get certified in everything I’d need to do charters or work for an airline, if I do the training full-time? Are there student loans that you can get for flight school?

Well, I have a good job now, but my company may not last much longer. And my job is company specific, so I can’t just hope to get the same job somewhere else. So, I’m looking at different things I might be interested in pursuing as a different career, and being a pilot is something I always wanted to do when I was younger but just never actually tried out. I don’t really care about being rich, as long as I can pay the bills and live fairly comfortably.

Hi- regional pilot checking in. The following is only my experience and observations. I have been flying for over 10 years, I’ve been a working commercial pilot for almost 6 years, and I am currently on furlough (unemployed.) I flight instructed, flew single-pilot freight, and worked for a regional airline. What I have to say may sound very negative, but it’s simply the things I wish I had known when I started. Some of it you probably don’t need to know yet. I love aviation, I cannot imagine myself doing anything else. However, there are a lot of serious pitfalls along the way.

Any degree is fine, in fact, something outside of aviation would be best, so that you have something to fall back on should you lose your medical or get furloughed during one of the inevitable downturns in the industry.

School- I attended a private 4 year aviation university. I took out many many student loans to fund this. DO NOT TAKE OUT LOANS TO FUND A CAREER IN AVIATION. Despite what the pilot academy recruiters may tell you, there is not, and there never will be a shortage of pilots. As long as a pilot academy can turn out a commercial-rated pilot in a few months, there will never be a shortage. Because of this never-ending supply of fresh pilots eager to work, entry-level wages will continue to be substandard.

DO NOT fall into the trap of reading that ridiculous once-yearly USA Today article about pilots being one of the “Most overpaid jobs.” Yes, a First Officer might make 23$ an hour, but pilots are only paid when the door to the airplane is closed, at best. So a typical reserve (on call) regional FO might be on duty (in uniform, at an airport) 10-16 hours in a day, yet only earn 3-4 hours worth of pay. My first year at my regional I earned 20,000 before taxes, uniform expenses, and the cost of a crashpad (225$/mo) at my home base. My second year would have been 31,000 pre-tax, had I not been laid off. That would have been the most I’ve earned thus far in my aviation career. My student loan payments are in excess of 1000 monthly. DO NOT TAKE OUT LOANS TO FUND A CAREER IN AVIATION.

Realize that everything in aviation is based on seniority. It rules your life. It determines whether you’re a captain or a copilot, and how much you are paid. Unlike many jobs, should you be laid off from your company, after say, 15 years of experience as a pilot, that experience means nothing to your potential new employer. You would start at the bottom of the new employer’s payscale, just like the freshly-minted pilot academy graduate. At my employer, there was a pilot who was laid off from American Airlines, making probably more than 80,000 per year. When he was hired by my company, he started at the bottom, at 20,000. He was subsequently recalled by American, then furloughed again. If he were to start at my company once again, he’d be at the bottom of the scale (again.) Because of the importance of seniority, and the fear of ever having to start over, pilots usually try to stay with one company.

Back to that ridiculous USA today article- If a pilot is lucky to avoid the pitfalls of furlough, bankrupt employers, concessionary contracts, and losing one’s medical, then, for a few short years before being forced to retire, they might be able to earn that top-scale pay that the newspapers like to quote. The small print for those payscales should be “*results not typical.” I will likely not reach the top end of that payscale, simply because of my age- pilots must retire at 65.

A typical career progression might read like mine: Student pilot -> Private Pilot -> add in instrument, commercial, multi-engine, and flight instructor ratings -> Flight instructor -> Freight pilot/charter pilot -> regional pilot -> Mainline pilot. (I have not yet made it to a mainline carrier.)

Expect to spend some time at a regional before being able to move up to a mainline carrier. Over the years, the “desired qualifications” to interview for a mainline carrier have grown to include Pilot-In-Command time in an aircraft with turbine engines. You can get this experience through the military, or more commonly, by working your way up to captain at a regional carrier. There are other avenues (turbine freight, charter work), but that is one of the most common.

Life at a regional can be difficult, particularly the first few years. I’ve told you my salary. You can expect to spend some amount of time “on reserve.” This means on call, ready to go to the airport on short notice to fill in for another pilot who became sick, didn’t show, or missed a connection.

While on reserve your schedule can change drastically from day to day. You may work a series of late night flights, and be sleeping in the daytime, and then the next day crew scheduling can reverse your schedule, and have you duty in to begin a 16 hour day at the time that you would normally be going to bed. That’s a drastic example, but it’s one that has happened to me. Even a typical 4 day trip can be fatiguing, with duty in times moving around day to day.

When you hear that pilots must receive 8-9 hours of rest, realize that “rest” begins shortly after the engines are shut down, and does not take into consideration the amount of time needed to “put the airplane to bed,” wait on hotel transportation, travel to the hotel, shower, shave, iron a shirt, getting up the next morning, shower, eat, waiting on hotel transportation, travel to the airport, and getting the airplane ready for passengers. You may also not have had much time to eat during the day, so trying to get a bite to eat, also will reduce the actual amount of time you get to sleep. I’d estimate that on the days I was scheduled for a 9 hour overnight, I probably got 6 hours or less of actual sleep.

Realize that you will be gone from your family for days at a time. A typical “on reserve” schedule will have you on call 4-6 days, with 2 or sometimes 3 days off in between. When you are senior enough to hold a line, you will likely get 4-day trips, with 2-4 days off in between. If you can afford to live in your base, it’s not too bad. If you must commute (as I did), you can expect to sometimes tack a half a day on to either end of your schedule in commute times. You will likely not be able to be home for Weekends, Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Years, 4th of July, or any other significant holiday until you get some decent seniority. A good friend of mine missed the birth of his child because of this. You must have a strong, independent, supportive spouse to make it work. Preferably one who can support you in the first few years of your career :wink:

I worked for one of the better regional carriers out there. Despite all the recent dogpiling on regionals, I can say that our training was absolutely top-notch. The level of experience in our cockpits was higher than most, because the pay was near the top of the industry for a regional- instead of moving on to a mainline carrier, many chose to stay with the company. All of this contributes to the “problem” of my company not being as cheap to operate as some of their competitors, and mainline carriers are notorious for selecting regional operators based solely on cost, not on depth of pilot experience, maintenance quality, or customer service. I have heard some not-so-great training and scheduling stories from friends who went to other carriers. So while my experiences may sound negative, there are much worse out there.

There are some insanely rewarding moments out there too- it’s not all negative. Sunrises, sunsets, the best office view in the world other than the Almighty itself. Travel, variety, and friendships like no other that I’ve experienced. Take your discovery flight. If you feel like you’ll never be the same again, like your skull split open, and the aviation bug slipped in, well, I’m sorry you poor bastard. You’ll never be the same again. You’ll be in for a roller coaster ride of exhilaration and disappointment. I wouldn’t trade it for the world.
Here are some websites (and forums) where you can learn more from commercial pilots:
www.jetcareers.com (this is a great, newbie - friendly, career-progression oriented site. Many members are working their way from private pilot through their first job searches. Start here)
www.airlinepilotcentral.com (free forums mostly populated by working pilots, good articles, and pay calculators for most large companies)
www.flightinfo.com (pay forums mostly populated by working pilots, many industry rumors and news, and a lot of bitter pilots. I hesitate to recommend, but there’s still some good info on there)

The more you can educate yourself about the career, the better you’ll have it. Absolutely go register on Jetcareers, and start reading, there is truly a wealth of information on there. Don’t believe anyone who is trying to sell you something in aviation (like telling you there’s a coming pilot shortage, and you should enroll in their academy today!) Get info from real working pilots, and students, and learn from their experiences.

…and feel free to PM me :wink:

You should send that entire post in to AOPA Flight Training magazine. I make a lot of those same points to flight students who walk in the door so they know what they’re getting into.

Former mainline big jet driver checking in.

What **Av8trix **said. I did the comparatively cushy *fly for the military & go straght to the majors *route.

When I started, the schedules at the major weren’t as awful as she says, but they weren’t great either. “Rest” stll started when we parked at the gate & ended when we moved. So the legal 10 hour minimum was often more like 6-7 hours in bed, with something less of sleep. Time off was more than she’s experienced, but not much.

When I started, the top rate, which I expected to earn from age 55+, was the equivalent of about $250K/year in today’s money. At that carrier now, the same rate has been lowered to about $180,000. Plus huge decreases in retirement funding, plus huge increases in mediacl costs. So the net value of the advertised compensation package is about 1/2 what it was.

And due to shrinkage and career stagnation, instead of being likely to earn top rate for 5 years, I’d probably never have made it to that inner circle. I’d become old & forced to retire before I became senior enough to get the top jobs. So that’d scrape another 20% off the compensation package.

Further, every year the deal gets worse. Major airline captain wages will still probably exceed $100K for the foreseeable future, but not by much.

Finally, you can have happen to you what happened to me. As a 45-year old captain making good (but not great) money my carrier was bought out by a competitor. Who laid us all off. At a time when almost nobody other than 2nd rate regionals was hiring.

So I could either have started over at Brand X, the places **Av8trix **described, making <$20K to be treated like dirt, or I could have gone into another career altogether. Taking an 85% pay cut and a huge work-life hit did not seem like a good idea.

So I did the career change.

I *really *miss flying. I do not miss the realities of the career. When I was a newbie in the late 80s the old guys said the good old days of the 60s and 70s were vastly superior to their life in the 80s. By the time I left in the early 00s, it was far worse than it had been in the late 80s they complained about.

My friends sitll in the industry say it has continued downhill & is picking up speed.

If I had kids I would not recommend it to them. That sentiment is all but universal amongst working pilots at the majors.

I’ve also seen repeated, warnings in other aviation fora to not take out loans. Which is understandable, but then again, I’m looking at a $10k bill for a PPL, and another huge bill to get through CFI, Commercial, ATP… I don’t know how anyone can afford this. Aren’t there outfits in Europe where you can get low-cost training that funnels you to their regional carrier after graduation? That may be a route I’d consider if I was looking to do this.

I am not a pilot. But I would recommend reading Patrick Smith, a columnist at Salon.com, who offers some interesting insights into what it’s like being a commercial pilot.
http://dir.salon.com/topics/p_smith/

What makes an aircraft fly?

:smiley:

Money, baby, money. :wink:

In Europe and some Asia Pacific countries, some carriers do ab initio training where they just recruit some starry-eyed youngters “off the streets” and pay for all of their training. If they make it through all the training, they’ll become a second officer, serving as a cruise relief pilot on long-haul flights, with a newly minted CPL in the wallet and only about 300 hours in the logbook, and they’ll slowly work their way up the ladder from there. These programmes are only open to local residents though, and I’ve never heard of anything like that in the US.

Many carriers in Asia do hire many expat pilots, but these have entry requirements similar to US major carriers. They are an attractive option once you have built up enough turbine times under your belt, as many of their compensation packages are quite generous compared to what US carriers offer to someone with comparable experience.

Av8trix’s experience is certainly realistic and probably close to what you can expect from flying in the USA at present, but let me put another spin on it. My experience has been quite different from Avi8trix’s, however I don’t fly in the US, and I have had some luck (and some more luck, and then a little bit more.)

I’ll start at the end. I’m a turbo prop (Dash 8) captain in Australia and I guess I’m in the middle of my career at age 35. I get paid a salary rather than per flying hour though if I fly more than a certain number of hours per month I get paid overtime. My base salary is about $110,000 AUD ($98,000 USD) and a new First Officer in this company would get about $70,000 AUD ($62,000 USD.) I get a retention bonus that increases my pay significantly but if I ignore that you can put me down for about $130,000 AUD gross per year (including normal allowances and a small performance bonus.) I work away from home for two weeks and then I have two weeks of days off at home. I like this but my wife doesn’t much. Other pilots who live at a base get a bit more money than I do and they are home more often.

Why do we get a retention bonus? Because there really is a pilot shortage, or there was, and I think there will be again. Our company lost 60% of its pilots in one year to the airlines. That kind of exodus probably won’t happen again but we’re certainly seeing the signs of significant recruiting from the mid level airlines in this part of the world.

So how did I end up here?

I’d wanted to be a pilot for as long as I can remember, maybe since I was 5 years old or earlier. I like to say that I’ve wanted it since I was a fetus, and if my Mum wanted an abortion she’d have had to shoot me down (ok that’s stretching the metaphor a bit.)

I’m from New Zealand and while I was growing up I dreamed of flying old World War II aircraft such as Spitfires and P51 Mustangs. Thinking that that kind of flying was no longer available I thought I’d like to join the Royal New Zealand Air Force and be a fighter pilot flying A4K Skyhawks, that looked like fun!

Unfortunately I spent more time dreaming about flying than I did doing the school work that would give me the grades that the Air Force required. In fact I wagged (skipped) school just to go out and watch a display by Kiwi Red, the RNZAF display team at the time. Anyway, I realised at age 17 that I’d fucked up and probably wasn’t going to be able to fly jets in the Air Force. But that didn’t really matter, I was happy to fly anything really, and after having a nothing year following high school I took up lessons to get a private license. I had some years earlier found out that there were still Spitfires and P51s flying, so maybe the original dream was still possible.

I was 18 when I started. I was unemployed, living at home, receiving an unemployment benefit, and desperately wanted to fly aeroplanes. On the 5th of March 1993 I went for a trial flight in a Cessna C152. The charge was $105 NZD per hour and we flew for half an hour. Back then there were no landing fees, airways charges or even instructor fees at that particular school.

My unemployment benefit was $110 per week and my Mum charged me $40 a week for living with her, that left $70 for flying. Enough for 0.7 hours per week and that is what I did. Every week I’d have one lesson lasting 0.7 hours and I’d spend the rest of the week daydreaming about flying. I didn’t have money for girls, drugs, or alcohol, so I did without.

While training for my private license (PPL) I also learned how to fly a tail-dragger in a Piper Cub and got an introduction to aerobatics. I loved all of it. The PPL required 50 hours of training in NZ and I had my flight test with 58 hours flying time on the 24th of August 1994. So it took me about a year and a half of plodding along doing a little bit each week.

By that time I’d finally got a job at a service (gas) station and with a job I had the ability to pay back a loan. I know that you’ve been advised against borrowing money to fund your flying, but I didn’t have a choice, if I wanted a commercial license (CPL) it was going to cost money that I didn’t have, and my service station job wasn’t enough to directly fund it, I had to borrow.

I borrowed about $25,000 NZD and set about gaining the rest of the 200 hours I needed for a CPL. I hired the Piper Cub I mentioned earlier and took it up and down New Zealand several times, flying 50 hours in two weeks. On that trip I’d drop into little airfields and get chatting to people. When you’re a 20 year old boy flying around the country in a little Cub, people are always up for a chat. I vividly remember talking to a beautiful woman with an alluring foreign accent and, unfortunately, a wedding ring. I wasn’t above trying to impress a married woman though so I took her flying anyway. I don’t know if she’d remember me, but her name is in my logbook. I stopped in to little airfields that were having modest flying displays and just soaked it all up.

By the time I’d finished that trip, I had over 100 hours and for the next 60 hours or so I took friends flying on short local scenic flights around my home town. I also did some more aerobatics. I liked the aerobatics. I took a girl from work flying and she held onto my leg while we did aerobatics, that was fun, I was particularly impressed that she didn’t feel sick, I think she was impressed that she survived.

The final 35 hours or so leading up to the required 200 hours needed for a CPL was spent doing more specific training learning the flight manoeuvres I’d need to demonstrate in the flight test. I’d also done some navigation exercises with an instructor, the last one being a check flight separate from the CPL flight test.

On the 28th of March 1995 I arrived at the airport dressed in smart clothes, nice pants, a shirt and tie, I wanted to show the examiner that not only could I fly, but I was a professional. I flew my CPL flight test in a Cessna C152. We did power on stalls, power off stalls, a forced landing, steep turns, a spiral decent, low flying, a practice engine failure after take-off, some instrument flying, and a number of circuits. The check pilot had “nothing to say” in the debrief except that I needed to have a better look out during the spiral decent. I was on top of the world, I’d passed, and passed well!

I’m sorry this is getting so long, I’m enjoying taking a trip through my memories. I’ll try to ease off on the details from now on.

So I’ve got a CPL, but I don’t have a flying job. What to do? Well it just happens that a couple of young guys were starting up a company taking tourists flying in a Pitts Special and giving them a little taste of aerobatics. They needed a pilot. I only had 200 hours, but I had some tail-dragger experience and I had some aerobatic experience, and they were friends of my flying instructor. Like I said at the start, I’ve had some luck.

On the 6th of April 1995, about one week after sitting my CPL flight test I was strapping myself into a Pitts Special, getting ready for my first training flight. A few days later and I was taking my first passenger. So this was my first job, flying tourists upside down amongst the mountains of New Zealand’s South Island. Absolutely magic!

I think I spent about 8 months there, it wasn’t all roses for me, I was young, immature and living away from home for the first time, I was shy and socially out of my depth. I could fly the aeroplane ok, but I probably wasn’t a great fit for the job. My bosses wanted someone who could take care of the marketing while they were away (they were both pilots working for charter companies.) Around Christmas that year I found my hours being dropped in favour of another pilot who I’m happy to admit was better suited to being an all-round pilot/marketing manager. So that was my first disappointment with flying, and given that the hours they wanted me to do weren’t enough to live off in that town, I found myself looking for other work.

Luckily (there’s that word again) I heard that a pilot working at another similar company in a near by town had just been fired after crashing an aircraft while landing which resulted in a broken nose for his passenger and a broken nose for the aeroplane. I contacted the boss of that company, explained my situation and he agreed to give me a go. I managed to swap jobs without spending a day unemployed.

Working at this new company suited me a lot more. I was able to concentrate on flying, as the boss was hands on with the marketing. I was also able to fly some different aircraft including a number of Tiger Moths, another Pitts Special, a T6 Texan, a Maule, a variety of Cessnas and a few home built aircraft as well. Oh yeah, and this new airfield was home to a collection of warbirds including a Spitfire and a P51 Mustang. I dearly wanted to fly one of those, but that privilege was given mainly to experienced airline pilots with military backgrounds. I was at the wrong end of my career to be seriously considered.

I flew there for about 4 years I think. By that time I was in a bit of a rut. I realised that in many ways I’d achieved my goal. I maybe wasn’t quite flying the aircraft I wanted to but I’d got as close as I could at that age and was doing the kind of flying I’d always dreamed of, real flying, aerobatics, low flying, some air displays. I found it difficult to motivate myself to move on, but I knew I had to, I didn’t want to be a Pitts Special pilot earning $35,000 NZD for the rest of my life.

So I was looking for work again and as luck would have it, I heard about a guy who had a Cessna C185 that he used to cart coffee around the highlands of Papua New Guinea. He was looking for a pilot, and pilots with a lot of tail-dragger time are relatively rare. It took a while, I had to have an HIV test, chest x-rays, immunisations, and meet various requirements to get a working visa for PNG. I had to fly to PNG and sit an Air Law exam and a medical in order to get my NZ license recognised. I was in a serious relationship by then and we’d based ourselves in Australia while I was getting this PNG stuff organised.

Unfortunately for me, after I got my work visa and a PNG license, the bottom fell out of the coffee market and my new boss decided it wasn’t worth carrying coffee that year. He offered me work flying charters but the money wasn’t going to be as good and it would’ve meant living in PNG full time, I wasn’t ready for that.

This was my second low point in my career. Australia was a foreign country to me, I didn’t know anyone in the aviation industry here, I didn’t have an instrument so I would have to find charter work flying VFR and all of that kind of work was up in the northern communities. I was settled with my wife to be and we were less prepared to make sacrifices.

I never would’ve expected it but my salvation came in the form of a job that didn’t have me flying an aeroplane. I suppose you could say I was lucky in that my mother in law knew a woman whose husband worked for a company that had a government contract to provide aircraft and crew to Australian Customs. So I stopped being a pilot and became a radar operator on a surveillance aircraft monitoring the ocean around Australia. As it happens I’m still working for the same company, except I since got an instrument rating, started flying light piston engined twins for them, then got trained as a Dash 8 First Officer and finally moved to the left seat where I enjoy a good lifestyle, fun flying (this isn’t airline stuff, we fly our Dash 8s at 200’), reasonable pay, and very importantly for my family, it is secure.

So what can you take away from that?

There are flying jobs outside the standard instructing, charter, regional, major airline route. I have never flown passengers from A to B and I still don’t have an instructor rating. There are pilots who fly float-planes with pearl divers out to the pearl farms. There are pilots who tow gliders, pilots who fly search and rescue aircraft, pilots flying doctors to remote communities. You can fly coffee around the mountains of PNG, take people on scenic flights in biplanes, or fly hunters into the bush.

I was an ordinary kid before learning to fly. I didn’t know anyone in the industry, I didn’t have anything different from anyone else starting out, and yet things fell into place. Yes I was lucky, but I made the most of the opportunities that came my way. Luck can only get you so far, you have to be ready to step up and accept the challenge.

When I was poor, I steadily and methodically worked toward my goal. I found a flying school with instructors that understood my financial limitations and worked very hard to ensure I got quality training within my budget.

I didn’t realise I was doing it at the time, but I networked. I met the guys who gave me my first job when I was learning to fly. I met the guy who gave me my second job while I was working at the first job. My old flying instructor put me on to the PNG guy. And my mother in law, of all people, put me on to my current employer.

Most of all I love flying and I was always focussed on it. When I was getting serious with the woman who is now my wife, I said “you have to realise that I’m a pilot, I might end of with jobs that have me away from home a lot, if you want to be with me, then you have to accept that this is part of who I am.”

And now here I am, as I write this I’ve just come back from a 7 hour night flight over the ocean with four other guys who are good fun to be with. I’m at the end of my two week stint away from home and will shortly be a passenger on a jet flying back to see my wife and our two young daughters, and I’m looking forward to spending the next two weeks with them.

So that is what becoming a pilot has been like for me. Of course I haven’t actually flown a Spitfire yet, but I’m only 35 and it’s good to have a goal.

You may find that flying is not for you, or you may find that things don’t go your way, but if you want to do it, the only way it’s going to happen is to start flying and put yourself in a position where you can take advantage of the opportunities as they arise.

By the way, I don’t have a degree in anything.

So your first job was pretty much my dream job, down to the location and everything. :smiley: Ever since I was a kid, I’ve wanted to move to Australia or New Zealand. Could an American pilot ever hope to find any work in that part of the world? It sounds like the working conditions are a lot better, and since I want to go there anyway…

As scary and disheartening as Aviatrix’s post is, I’m still going to at least give it a try, especially after reading your post. If I do find that I enjoy it, I’m sure I’d be happy with flying for local charters and things like that as long as I could support myself. The jobs you’ve had sound right up my alley.