As far as I can tell, there is no rule on the misogyny in threads yet. I’m having a hard time understanding how people are getting mod notes and mod warnings on a rule that hasn’t been made yet.
The policy is still under discussion. We will have a statement when we have the details worked out.
The warning was not for misogyny; it was for trolling on an inflammatory issue.
I don’t want to nitpick, but I do want to discuss RedFury’s first warning and that unfortunately does involve pointing out inconsistencies in the claims defending said warning. It was stated that Marley had issued instructions forbidding mention of the misogyny flap, which I don’t feel is accurate given the words Marley actually used. You’re now stating that he violated your instructions, but that can only apply to the second warning, as your instructions were issued in the post where you gave the initial warning.
And? He made a joke about a recent board event that got a lot of attention. People made jokes about avatars after that big heated debate, they made jokes about Marley’s accidentally banning everyone after that happened, they made jokes about the short-lived multiquote fiasco suggested by yours truly.
If you want a gag order, you have to actually issue one. Don’t expect people to read your mind.
I am unable to find any guidelines anywhere stating that ATMB cannot include joking. Maybe you could find a cite for that. There have been countless joke threads in ATMB, and countless more where joking asides are introduced to a thread as part of the discussion. The fact that it’s an “inflammatory” topic for a small number of posters is irrelevant. No person was referenced, simply the fact that there is a kerfuffle going on. This is an absurd amount of censorship.
Here is my first warning.
[QUOTE=Colibri]
Moderator Warning
RedFury, this is an official warning for trolling. We’ve had plenty of recent discussion on the misogyny issue, in which you participated. Don’t try to hijack this thread with further off-topic references to it.
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Here’s what I have said in this thread regarding the first warning:
[QUOTE=Colibri]
But when he explicitly brought up misogyny, it was clear that he was making reference to the controversy. That’s what got him the first warning. Rather than just “responding to a comment riffing on the misogyny issue,” as he claimed, he was upping the ante.
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[QUOTE=Colibri]
But even without this instruction, RedFury’s posts were out of line. He was aware that it was a controversial issue since he had participated in other threads on the subject, and his behavior was significantly worse and more explicitly about the issue than the others posting in the thread in which he received the warnings.
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I did not cite Marleys’ instruction in either my initial warning, or in defending that first warning in this thread. Where exactly do you see an inconsistency in what I’ve said about the first warning? I issued the warning for trolling, not for bringing up the issue at all.
Correct.
We’re not going to make specific rules about which subjects people are allowed to troll about. I didn’t issue notes the first few so-called “jokes” about the issue, or RedFury’s first post when he first made it. As I said, RedFury’s second post was a more obvious effort to stir the shit, which is why he was warned for it.
Some joking is allowed. But you said this forum was designed for it. That’s of course not so.
It’s highly relevant. We don’t need people needling others on the issue with off topic comments in a thread that had nothing at all to do with the subject. “But I was only joking!” is one of the oldest, and weakest, defenses against getting in digs at others.
IMO, the first Warning was a bit much–it should have just been a note, specifying that anything else would cause a Warning. But the second one was definitely justified. There’s no way the “Panama” and “butthurt” references were not a direct attack on Colibri, and he did violate mod instructions.
No, I did not. I referred to **topics **in ATMB, not jokes.
Quote by me:
Your post wasn’t very clear. And I would point out that the so-called “jokes” were entirely unrelated to the thread they were made in, which was about connectivity issues. They were dragging a highly controversial issue into a discussion that had nothing to do with it.
I guess it would be simplest if you just ban all jokes AND all controversial issues. Then there won’t be so many problems. Won’t be quite as many posters, either, though.
Can I take back post number 6? Cause I don’t wanna get in trouble again or anything.
Oh. “Some” joking. I was unaware ATMB was such serious business! Was anyone else? This should be written down somewhere, it sounds important.
“Needling”? Who was needling who? This also sounds quite serious - can’t have any unspecified needling going on.
Straight from ignore the problem to hand out 2 warnings, because god forbid people fail to read your mind when you decide not to make any mod notes.
Because clearly the rule here is, only some joking is allowed. Awesome job.
By the way, I have no complaint with the second warning, technically speaking. It may have resulted from your crappy modding, but it was by the books.
No, I wasn’t suggesting you make rules about what people are allowed to troll about. I had misunderstood some of your earlier posts to mean you didn’t want people referencing or making jokes about the misogyny drama at all, which is why I suggested that you clearly post that request rather than expecting people to just know.
If I’m reading this correctly, you’re saying that mentioning or joking about the recent misogyny threads is not against the rules, unless someone does it with the intent of needling other posters. Is this accurate?
Just out of curiosity, does that extend to other topics or is it specific to this particular situation? For instance, in post #12 of that very same thread, one could argue that IvoryTowerDenizen was needling the people who asked that the search interval be shortened with this post:
[QUOTE=IvoryTowerDenizen]
This is what happens when we even talk about increasing the search interval.
Warning heeded!
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I mean, yeah, he’ll claim he was just joking, but that’s the oldest, weakest defense for getting in digs at others. Not to mention the recent thread by Clothahump asking if he can ignore a forum, which featured both joking digs at Clothahump as well as a couple of joking references to the avatar kerfuffle. Do those fall under the same trolling umbrella or does it need to be misogyny-related?
There’s no need for a new rule. It’s just a “paradigm shift”, you see. Everyone just automatically knows when a “paradigm shift” occurs.
Also, mod notes and warnings in ATMB (and other forums, but especially ATMB) are rolled on a random mod-note chart and almost never have any bearing on any actual rule-breaking.
Also, the odds of a thread being just summarily closed in ATMB are about 90:1 in favor of semi-random, semi-petulant closings.
How the cops got into his pajamas, I’ll never know.
Rules question:
Can I make a joke about this, or has this ATMB thread already met the ‘some joking’ threshhold?
:smack: “Paradigm shift”! Where have I been all these weeks! Honestly, I had NO idea – and if Colibri can’t take a joke about a board meme such as: “knife fight, in Panama” after all these tears, I suggest he read the old classic: How to Win Friends & Influence People
Other than that, warn away – seems like you are having a great time. For reasons unknown. Meanwhile I am openly mocking the whole “misogyny drama.” Beyond ridiculous…for such great minds as run the SDMB behind curtains.
Seriously, make a joke, get a note, warning or get banned. That’s the fucking Paradigm shift? :rolleyes: And since in my 11 years here I’ve never changed my posting style and don’t plan to, do as you wish.
Sheesh. Another ridiculous moderator action on this topic.
I would characterize RedFury’s first 2 posts as, “Knowingly making jokes (digs) that had a high probability of becoming a train wreck.”
I would characterize the 2nd as, “Knowingly violating moderator instructions and board rules.”
I’d be bummed if Redfury makes a habit of the preceding, for the preceding has predictable consequences.
Look the mods are still trying to figure certain issues out. If RedFury indeed participated in some of the misogyny threads, it’s hard to argue that he was being caught unawares. Heck, it’s hard to believe that based on his posts alone.