Texas bashing

[QUOTE=Johnny L.A.]

I didn’t start this thread to bash Texas and/or Texans, but I have a feeling it will get heated. What I wanted to do is make a suggestion or two (or three… or four…) as to why we poke fun at Texas, based on stereotypes. :wink:
[ul][li]Texans are stereotypically loud and obnoxious. I know they all aren’t. I’m talking about stereotypes. While only a small percentage of Texans probably wear ten-gallon hats, they are often depicted in film and on televsion and in other media as wearing them with ‘cowboy-style’ suits. They talk loud and flash their money. That’s a stereotype, but here’s something I can think of that actually happened: There’s a photo of Lynden B. Johnson showing off a scar on his torso. This indicates a lack of decorum to me. (And I’ve heard he’d conduct parts of meetings from the toilet.)[/li][li]They seem full of themselves – even though Texas is only the second-biggest state, and if Alaska were divided into two equal-sized states Texas would be the third-largest. :smiley: And yet, ‘Everything is begger in Texas’ is a well-known aphorism. Talking big makes them a target to be knocked down a couple of pegs.[/li][li]The Death Penalty.[/li][li]Conservatives.[/li][li]Duhbya.[/ul][/li][/QUOTE]

I appreciate your explanation. It still doesn’t address the issue that stereotypes exist from ignorance.

Only shitkickers and folks who don’t know better wear cowboy hats, and yet everyone expects Texans to wear cowboy hats. There are damn few of us who own oil wells any more. There are even less of us who own cattle. And yet everyone thinks we’ve got a walking beam unit running full bore in the back yard, with at least 40 head of cattle grazing around it. It’s tiresome. A lot of that can be laid at Hollywood’s doorstep because they are too lazy and/or dumb to actually do some original thinking and throw out stereotypes, but the rest of it…well, a little original thinking on everybody’s part would go a long way.

Yes, we are conservative as a whole. We do have liberal patches, like the People’s Republic of Austin, but all in all, we are conservative. And that is good, not bad. Unfortunately, we also have our fair share of religious whackos that have infested our conservative politics. They’re like crab lice; they don’t contribute anything, they’re irritating as hell and they’re damn near impossible to get rid of, but they are the ones that everyone zeros in on, as if they speak for everyone else.

And yes, George W. Bush was our governor, and now he’s President. He was a good Governor and he’s a good President. Well, he was good when he started. He’s slipped a little in my book because of his failure to address the border issues and illegal immigration; I’d say he’s down to a C or C minus these days. He’s still a better President than his predecessor and he’s a damn sight better on his bad days than Lyndon Johnson ever was on his good days. If you want to talk about a President from Texas being a disgrace, LBJ is your man.

And yes, we have capital punishment in our state. And yes, juries convict people and sentence them to die. And we put them to death. Are mistakes made? Possibly, but given the legal system that we have, by the time somebody gets the needle, their case has gone through probably 4 levels of the court system: the original trial in the state district court, the appeal to the state Court of Criminal Appeal, an appeal into the Federal courts, an appeal into the Federal Appelate system and possibly all the way up to the Supreme Court, and the conviction was upheld at each step of the process. Until we come up with a better legal system, that’s the way it is. Why, in the name of OG, does that jack everybody’s jaws so badly? We’re absolutely no different from any other state in the Union in that aspect.

However, Texas really is the biggest state. If you melt the ice off Alaska, you’ll wind up with something the size of Vermont. :smiley:

I’ll admit, I have a problem with Texas. Why do I see more “DON’T MESS WITH TEXAS” bumper stickers than stickers praising any other state? And why is Texas’s favourite slogan so hostile and obnoxious? Why is it that people from Texas, more than people from any other state, feel it necessary to keep reminding you where they’re from? Why is it that people from Texas, more than people from any other state, feel it necessary to keep reminding you how great they think their home state is? Every time I see a freaking Texas bumper sticker, my instant reaction is to say “Fuck Texas. Who gives a fucking shit?”

Oh, and I wear cowboy hats in Washington, D.C., and I’ve been to Texas only once, when I was 9. I don’t care what people choose to wear.

“Don’t mess with Texas” is an ad campaign that seeks to stop littering.
It’s really meant for Texans. Not necessarily visitors. Although they shouldn’t litter either.

At the top of a ski lift in NM, either Taos or Ski Apache, there was a hand painted sign: “Don’t Mess With New Mexico, Either!”. That said it all. Don’t litter our slopes, we know a lot of you are from Texas, here’s your litter slogan right back at you.

I highly recommend “Texan Love Song” by Elton John. I’m sure he and Bernie were being facetious, yet the sentiment is spot on for many Texans.

Just when you thought you could convince the rest of the country Texans aren’t assholes, along comes Clothahump, the living, breathing epitomy of the stereotype–someone who can praise Bush, demonize LBJ, call Austin a communist stronghold and contend a few mistakes in the death penality are no big deal.

I think it’s a representative sample.

I’m skeptical that all the Texans living abroad in the midwest and north-east with this bumper sticker are advocating an anti-littering message. And what about the ones that include little pictures of firearms with the slogan? Is that part of the anti-littering campaign too? I understand that the slogan was originally adopted for that purpose, but I don’t believe for a minute that that’s why it’s being displayed so much by individual Texans around the country.

See, take opponents of the death penalty. If it came to a vote, it would be pretty near 100% turnout of those wanting to abolish it.

If Texans really hated the idea of gay marriage so much wouldn’t most of them have voted to be sure the amendment passed?

By the same token, then you’re saying only those who wanted it turned out to vote against the amendment. So Fuck the apathetic as well as the anti-crowd.

Can’t really know, of course, which way the other 84% might have swung. Just sayin’ that those who feel really strongly about something will act.
And maybe Texas isn’t a bunch of gay haters since opponents to gay marriage didn’t turn out in droves.

I was born in Texas, raised in South Dakota. My dad’s side of the family is Texan and most of them still live there. My grandparents’ generation of our family, in particular, is stereotypical: cowboy hats and boots on the men, big hair and big mouths on the women, bible-banging, conservative, and extremely bigoted.

I finished college at UT Austin and saw lots of those stereotypical attitudes there. I’ve heard many people compare Austin to Madison–not even close. Austinites and UT students may have slightly more liberal leanings, but they’re far from being radical lefties. I met lots of people who were very conservative and saw many people treated badly because of their religion/politics/race/sexual preference. I couldn’t wait to get away from there after graduation.

The inordinate pride in being from a place also turned me off. Texas-shaped everything and all the spouting off about how great Texans are get really tiresome after a short time. And when I mentioned one time that I was born there, all the people at my job got excited because I was a native–as if it was a major accomplishment to be born there.

So, no, I don’t have any love for Texas. And yes, I know that South Dakota is a haven of conservatism and bigotry–that’s why I don’t live there anymore.

Like I said, fuck the apathetic as well. Their apathy allowed the anti-gay vote to prevail, so they’re to blame as well.

I was born and raised in Texas. There are some things that you guys/gals should know.

People are still proud because the Texas Flag is the only flag that can be flown at an equal height to The United States Flag.

Lots of people (I know at least) know more about the history of The Republic of Texas than United States history.

These things being said, the “celebratory gunfire” might make some more sense. Maybe.

Also-

It takes some big balls to live here sometime. The problem with Texas politics in my opinion is the people that are running this super-ultra-neoconserviative bullshit are soccer moms that never have had a job and just went to college to meet some guy with the allure of sucess so she can get married. She doesn’t have to work so she goes to these stupid dumbshit churches who spread the ideas of intolerance and government censorship. Then some biggoted old people get involved… ick.

The ideas of a few people with nothing better to do get pushed into action because the rest of us are all too damn busy working to pay for money to live. So this dumbshit person’s moral views get rammed down your throat and thus - the ultra-ignorant conservatism is born.

The big balls part is to stand up to one of these dumbshit people and tell them, hey guess-the-fuck-what, you don’t have the right to push your moral views on the rest of us. Dammit. You would think that it woudn’t be so hard to just stand up and say anything, but these dumbshit people tend to band together, with pitchforks…

I guess I am saying that the more rational middle of the road and leftish people don’t see the point in even voting anymore.

Yee-Haw, Texas.

They’re proud of a false urban legend, according to Snopes

“So, as long as other positional guidelines of the flag code are observed, any single state flag may be flown at the same height as the U.S. national flag (although the state flag may optionally be flown at a lower height as a show of deference to the national flag). Nothing in the federal flag code specifies exceptions for the Texas flag or any other state flag, nor does Texas’ own flag code create or acknowledge any such exceptions.”

(scumpup also mentions the falseness of this claim earlier in the thread)

[QUOTE=Johnny L.A.]

[ul][li]Texans are stereotypically loud and obnoxious. I know they all aren’t. I’m talking about stereotypes. While only a small percentage of Texans probably wear ten-gallon hats, they are often depicted in film and on televsion and in other media as wearing them with ‘cowboy-style’ suits. They talk loud and flash their money. That’s a stereotype, but here’s something I can think of that actually happened: There’s a photo of Lynden B. Johnson showing off a scar on his torso. This indicates a lack of decorum to me. (And I’ve heard he’d conduct parts of meetings from the toilet.)[/li][li]They seem full of themselves – even though Texas is only the second-biggest state, and if Alaska were divided into two equal-sized states Texas would be the third-largest. :smiley: And yet, ‘Everything is begger in Texas’ is a well-known aphorism. Talking big makes them a target to be knocked down a couple of pegs.[/li][li]The Death Penalty.[/li][li]Conservatives.[/li][li]Duhbya.[/ul][/li][/QUOTE]

You forgot the chainsaw massacres. To me, that’s the worst part of Texas. The chainsaw massacres.

No it isn’t.

Flying a state flag at the same height as the national flag shows a lack of etiquette though.

Wasn’t that based on Ed Gein, who was from Wisconsin? Like John Wayne Gacy and Jeffrey Dahmer? (Not to self: Don’t visit Wisconsin! :eek: )

Someone I know used to work in a gift shop at a museum where they would get a lot of school groups from around the country. It was only the Texas kids who felt the need to volunteer to the cashiers, “I’m from Texas!” as if expecting a prize. Once, when the cashier replied, “Yeah, well I’m from Washington, D.C.,” the kid just looked confused.

Okay Clothahump, ::cue good bad and ugly music::

You and I are gonna have to tangle on this one…born in Alaska, grew up in Alaska, and we are told in school that if we ever meet a Texan (see how I put it in caps, just to be friendly?) and they say how they have the biggest state in the union, we are supposed to simply point at them, laugh out loud, and say “Bless your heart” We still don’t know what that means, but apparently that’s an insult down where y’all live?

Y’all ever want to compare state stats, y’all come on back. Y’hear?

Nah, you’re fine. Um, but if anyone offers you jerky, I suggest you turn them down.