Al Queda?
This was the Iowa Heartland Presidential Forum put on by Iowa Citizens for Community Improvement on 12/1/07. They are a member of National People’s Action based in Chicago.
Part 1, Part 2, Part 3 (the clipped part starts at 4:25)
No, silly. KAOS.
Oh. So you’re saying that ACORN actually fired some actors who had nothing to do with their organization? :rolleyes:
Now you’re just being ridiculous. Everyone knows that shooting Janet Reno only makes her angry.
/B/rother? Is that you?
Thanks.
So, upon review of the clip it appears:
a) that the speech, and the specific excerpt linked by Stephe96 was directed to community organizers from various groups, which may or may not have included ACORN representatives;
b) in the unedited clip, Obama’s statement is made in direct response to a question as to whether he would meet with representatives of all the organizations present, and that ACORN was not specifically named;
c) based on the above, at best Stephe96’s headlining that it was “Obama’s speech to ACORN workers” left out some important qualifying information, and seriously misrepresents the context in which the statement was made.
I’ll assume that Stephe96 was probably just parroting what the posters of the clip he found on Youtube had claimed about it, rather than being a sleazy fucking liar. Still, it shows the importance of fact-checking before linking to something that one thinks supports one’s case.
That’s enough entertainment for one night; I’m outta here.
You make some very good points. Seriously. And I’m not going to be surprised if this particular story has either more or less to it. But I remember being surprised when I had learned ACORN had received the millions it had, in light of the many allegations against them. I’m sure they do some good work, but they are a very partisan group, and I am thrilled to see that—finally—some people are viewing that as a problem for an organization that gets millions from the government and plays the role they do in our elections.
Well, that’s fine. I knew nothing about them prior to the election campaign, and I’ve got no particular problem with them being prosecuted as an organization if the situation warrants. It’s just way to early in the story, IMO, to assume this is an organizational thing.
Oh, and I’ve gotta work tomorrow, that’s the only reason I’m shutting down for now.
My God, man, don’t you see? Obama has links to the Progressive movement! No wonder he ran as a Democrat, no way the Republicans will nominate him with a permanent record like that! Wasn’t Michele around to counsel against such rash associations? She seems such a sensible woman…
Uh, the KKK endorsed Ronald Reagan. Your point?
Bolding mine there for the 2nd time. The first time you overlooked it, which is completely understandable. I again asked for a cite regarding this libel that you choose to inject so capriciously. Apparently you overlooked my response to your “cite”.
Damuri Ajashi had a follow up query:
If you can answer Damuri’s question, I have a follow up, mainly pertaining to what your definition of the word “promote” is.
That’s the first accurate, sensible thing you’ve posted on this board.
You’re really hung up on that “promote” word, huh? Well, the fired ACORN workers sure as hell don’t seem to have anything against underage child prostitution.
Here’s my original cite:
*http://voices.kansascity.com/node/5830
“In Baltimore, two ACORN officials were fired after they were seen on tape offering to help a man and woman posing as a pimp and prostitute to engage in child prostitution.”
“In Washington, another set of ACORN officials gives the same advice, again caught on camera.” *
I will happily substitute a word you feel better with. Condone, perhaps? Enable? Assist with?
The story appears to have lost the child prostitution angle, at least according to this morning’s Post-Dispatch:
Aw, come on. Without the child prostitutes, how is Stephe96 going to have any fun?
Woe! Woe is us! The mighty ACORN is toppled, we are doomed! Doomed! Our mighty army of pimps, hos, and fraudulent voter registrants is wiped out! How long will it be before the last election is revealed to be a cunning plot of George “Hitler” Soros and Hugo “Hitler” Chavez? Run for your lives, we are undone! Woe! Whoa!
Am I allowed to believe that ACORN seems to be an outfit that may have begun with good intentions, but has been overrun a bit by sleazebags without believing that Obama is a Muslim socialist intent on allowing ACORN to run the judiciary branch? Or do I have to choose a side and stick to it no matter what?
There was no fake child prostitution involved in DC – just advice to an adult woman posing as an adult prostitute.
The alleged “child prostitution” tape is heavily edited and sounds dubbed, so I’m not buying that one either.
There is no evidence that it has “been overrun by sleazebags.”