That lying BITCH!

This thread is about the same woman this thread is about. Henceforth she will be known as TLB. For what that means, see the title bar to this thread.
Saturday night I attended a big mixer TLB invited me to. There were hundreds of nattily dressed young professionals there. She was her typical social butterfly self, talking to tons of people and occasionally me. That wasn’t the problem. What was a BIG problem occurred several hours into the evening, when an older woman TLB had introduced me to earlier called me over and introduced me to some guy named Brian.
“This is TLB’s significant other,” Lisa said.
“Really?” said I, in a state of numbed shock. “I wasn’t aware TLB had a significant other.”
“Yeah, she doesn’t tell anyone about it,” Brian said. “Sometimes it bothers me.”

Now, to put this in perspective, I have spent many an afternoon with TLB. We’ve met for drinks, gone to museums, etc. She is and has been well aware that I was interested in her more than socially, because I told her so. Her response on that occasion was that she likes to “hang out with people as friends and see where it goes.”
Well, if she already HAS a boyfriend, than I guess it’s not going much of anywhere, is it?! What’s so infuriating about this is that I would’ve been willing to be “just friends” if at any time she ever said she was involved, although the relationship would’ve necessarily been a bit more limited. (What’s the point of doing things that are dates in all but name with a woman you have no chance with, when there are SINGLE women out there?)
Frankly, I’ve been rather puzzled at her supposed singleness for some time, because she seemed like an eligible bachelorette. Yet, at the same time, I always suspected she was hiding something. The way she talked, her habit of changing the subject when her social life came up, etc., were all curious. I imagined multiple scenarios, all of them in her favor, to explain it. She was abused as a child, she was a very private person, etc. But I was always certain she was single. She was just too open and honest in most things, too willing to hang out with me one-on-one, just too NICE, to be a player.
But what really enraged me was what her own boyfriend said. So, he’s aware that she doesn’t acknowledge him , is bothered by it, and STILL sticks around?? Something is very fucked up here. I felt like a fool, I felt lied to, I felt sorry for Brian(!), and then I got the hell out of there.

The point of all this is not that I’m mad that she has a boyfriend. The point is that she very clearly knew I was interested and yet never bothered to tell me about him. I don’t know what her game is, but it clearly is a game. 24 hours later, I’m still so angry it’s all I can do not to spew invective.

Well don’t hold back, man! Tell us how you really feel!

sigh If only random curse would help. :frowning:

You’re an idiot.

How DARE you judge her? Must everyone conform to your moral values? It’s perfectly reasonable for her to believe in polygamy. It’s perfectly reasonable that Brian is OK with it! It’s perfectly reasonable that she doesn’t tell people because most people will react LIKE YOU.

Get over it and talk to her.

Are… Are you serious?

Yes.

I hate to be the devil’s advocate here, but before you get dogpiled by people who will not have the level of restraint I have, consider the following:

Perhaps she is attractive, and interested in making genuine friends, but not anything more. If she says from the get-go she has a boyfriend, its going to turn off a lot of guys she might still want to be friends with. Would you have treated her the same if you knew she had a boyfriend all along? Probably not. That’s my best guess, anyway.

sigh I go here too late.

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You mean values like “telling the truth about oneself”? Yup. Especially if they expect me to trust them enough to stay in the same room with them.

It sure is. It’s just not okay to lie about it (and a lie by omission is still a lie). And for the record, she and Brian are not married, so the correct term is “polyamory.”

Yes, most people would react like me to being deliberately misled. And Brian doesn’t seem too okay with it. Get your head out of your ass and re-read the OP, dick.

You didn’t miss anything… :cool:

Oh, for Og’s —

Polyamory has nothing to do with the OP. If this woman were seeing Lizard because she was, in good faith, interested in a polyamorous relationship with him and her boyfriend, she wouldn’t be leading Lizard on using elaborate evasions as to whether she is seeing anyone or not.

Polyamorists consider deliberately misleading people to be as wrong as monogamists do. To see someone in even a romantic-possible context without telling them you have a boyfriend is truly creepy, whether or not the next sentence would have been “…and we’re not monogamous.”

Ok, first of all, Harmonix, you need to re read the OP. Brian specifically said that he is not “OK” with it.

Second of all Lizard specifically said that he had no problem being just friends if that was what she wanted.

Having said that, allow me to add this.

You’re an idiot.

How DARE you judge him? Must everyone conform to your moral values? It’s perfectly reasonable for him to not believe in polygamy.

Get over it and talk to her.

Now, that last bit is good advice. Pitty you did not offer it to HER! She is the one prevaricating and avoiding subjects to hide things. Now perhaps you think it is appropriate that polygamists trick others into their relationships, but I really don’t think you wanted to imply this.

Incubus, Of course he would have treated her differently. He would not have considered her a possible lover. To put it bluntly. The point is that she seems like she wanted suitor friends but not actual suitors. That seems fair enough. I certainly don’t want to pass judgements on anyone’s proclivities. But it does seem disengenuous to hold out the possiblity of something which is in fact not possible. Do you really think it is fair to allow Lizard to spend time on a “just friends” relationship when he is looking for some other type of relationship against his will? Really?

While this sounds like a reasonable theory, think about what it amounts to in practice. Essentially, you’re implying she’s entitled to say or omit whatever she likes about herself in order to produce the behavior she desires in the men around her. This is manipulation, not friendship. If the men she knows decide they don’t want to build a relationship with an involved woman, well, that’s THEIR prerogative, which she usurped by lying about her status.
In answer to your question “Would you have treated her the same if you knew she had a boyfriend all along?” My answer is “of course not,” for the same reason I don’t go out drinking or to museums with married women.

I’ve dated a polyamorous woman before. The difference THEN was that she was upfront about it right off the bat. She respected me enough to let me make up my own mind on whether I could handle her lifestyle, and though her polyamory eventually split us up, she had nothing to apologise for. THIS woman clearly does not belong in that category. For one thing, there’s no evidence she is living a deliberately chosen lifestyle, and not simply fooling around on Brian. All signs point to the latter.

matt_mcl and pervert have it mostly right. The point here is not whatever her true lifestyle is and whether that is right or wrong. The point is that she lied to me. She is untrustworthy.

Of course, the kicker to the evening was that I walked into the bar next door to this party ( I was wwaaaaayyy) to drunk to drive home yet) which, unbeknownst to me, was a gay bar. I wound up commiserating with a 45-year-old lesbian on what bitches women are! She let me crash on her couch.

Starting with matt,

I completely and utterly agree. I find it unethical not to inform possible relationship partners about my philosophies.

However I completely understand how one might feel that it is better to NOT mention until a firm base is already there. The idea is radical in this society and many people can not and will not accept it. I do not agree with this point of view, but I understand it. It’s the difference between the ends justifying the means and the means justifying the ends.

I agree with this. But trust is a two way street. Telling people about polyamorism is often quite a bit risk.

Eh, I partially agreee with this. To delibertly lie and to lie by omission often hold two different intents. One is trickery, the other can be trickery as well, but can also simply mean that they don’t want to scare you away.

The point about polyamory. Semantics. Feh.

Doesn’t seem like shes trying to trick you out right.

Fine. But consider the possible intent.

Fine. I mispoke. Brian may ACCEPT it.

read it twice, read it thrice. I still hold my opinion. You did not consider any other Possible explainations, nor did you stick around long enough to find out.

Lizard, exactly what lie did she tell you?

I don’t think that she was actually lying so much as dodging your questions, and you already knew she was doing that.

Maybe she is the sort of insecure person who hangs onto one person but browses until she finds someone that she likes better. (She must have enjoyed your company to have seen you for two months.)

I’m curious about why she would invite you to an event where her boyfriend would be. Any ideas?

Also, did she allow you to pay for everything or did you two go dutch as “friends” usually do?

Sorry that you are feeling so bum over this. Just be glad you are not in the boyfriend’s position. She is inconsiderate at best.

I plead guilty to being judgemental. But my judgement had nothing to do with his beliefs in polygamy or not(ok, I lie, it had a little to do with it). Rather It was(mostly) his uninformed judgement and anger which I judged. I believe making informed decisions is a pretty good standard to hold people to.

Might she simply be fearful?

Ok. I apologize. Not for what I said, but how i said it.

That old thread that you link to in the OP was four months old. It was clear even then that you didn’t have any chance with her, so why are you still obsessing about her? I have no idea whether she is leading you on or you’re just deluding yourself that you ever had a chance with her, but by now it should be obvious that continuing to hope you have a chance with her will just hurt you further. Stay away from her. Quit thinking about her. It can’t possibly be worth the pain to continue to interact with her.