The 100 Most Influential People - Try the Third

Actually, I’ll use a bit of reasoning by Hart to defend Luther over Augustine: Luther was very influential in both the religious and political realms, whereas Augustine was influential mostly in the religious realm.

In my rankings, Luther is the second most influential Christian on the religion list (behind Jesus).

Inventor. Henry Ford
Leader. Cyrus
Philosophy. Plato
Religion. Umar ibn al-Khattab
Science. Johannes Kepler

Inventors. Joseph Lister
Leaders. Sui Wen Ti
Philosophy. Francis Bacon
Religion. Moses
Science. Nicolas Copernicus

Inventor. Marconi
Leader. Hitler
Philosophy. Thomas Jefferson
Religion. Constantine
Science. Copernicus

New on the block are Jefferson, who as a philosopher didn’t advance much beyond Locke (besides which, I learned elsewhere on the Dope that he was just a puppet of James Madison’s); and Constantine, who narrowly beats out Luther and 'Umar - once those three are gone it REALLY gets tight.

Inventions. Henry Ford
Leaders. Adolf Hitler
Philosophy and Arts. Michelangelo
Religion. 'Umar ibn al-Khattab
Science. Nicolas Copernicus

Round ended while I was doing my post earlier, so instead of Dagurre let’s do Henry Ford.

Invention. Henry Ford
Leader. Cyrus the Great
Philosophy. Confucius
Religion. ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab
Science. Enrico Fermi

2 new faces. Picking Henry Ford because his real genius lay in factory running. Sooner or later, someone could have come up with the same concept. Besides, his dice roll was terrible.

Picking Fermi because there’s too many atomic bomb scientist on the list. Some have got to go.

Surprised seeing Hitler getting votes. That nutter OWNS the 20th Century. There’s not a damn thing after 1939 that Hitler didn’t directly effect politically, socially and scientifically. Like it or not, we are who we are thanks to Adolf.

Invention: Joseph Lister
Politics: Josef Stalin
Arts and Philosophy: Michelangelo
Religion: 'Umar ibn al-Khattab
Science: Ernest Rutherford

Inventions. Gugilemo Marconi
Leaders. Cyrus the Great
Philosophy. Michelangelo
Religion. Buddha
Sciences. Michael Faraday

Galileo Galilei eliminated. I’m stunned. The first true empirical scientist gone!? Oh well, there are worse to come.
I hit three out of the other four, but I think that’s the result of showing up late…

This time it’s

Invention. James Watt
Leaders. George Washington
Philosophy. Francis Bacon
Religion. ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab
Science. Nicolas Copernicus
James Watt made a big a leap in the effienciency of steam engines, but never invented it.

George Washington was an astounding leader. But the times were overwhelmed with political and philosphical leadership.

Bacon? Payback for Galileo!

The expansion of the Calphate doesn’t resound with current situations and his early suppression of Mohamed; what was he: St Paul II?

Nicolas Copernicus made a leap of imagination, as those before him, from Geocentric to Heliocentric models of the Cosmos. But in the end he was still forced to use epicycles, and such, to achieve even the accuracy of the Ptolemaic system which he was supposedly overthrowing, at least according to some modern sources.

Inventor. Joseph Lister
Leader. Cyrus the Great
Philosophy. Lao Tzu
Religion. Constantine the Great
Science. Ernest Rutherford

Constantine is the only change from last round. Tough cut, but hey, the city once named after him is now Istanbul…

Last day for round 10…

People just liked it better that way.

Inventions. Antony van Leeuwenhoek
Leader. Napoleon Bonaparte
Philosophy. Lao Tzu
Religion. Constantine the Great
Science. Johannes Kepler

Inventors. Guglielmo Marconi
Leaders. Alexander the Great
Philosophy. Michelangelo
Religion. Constantine the Great
Science. Nicolas Copernicus

There is some dispute whether Marconi really invented the radio. The credit for that probably belongs to Tesla, and there were some serious patent issues about the invention. Alexander brought some greek influence to the middle eastern region, but his empire was short lived. The romans idolized Alexander, but I’d rate him below the other leaders who are left.

Round 10 is over!

The losers are:

Category, Name, # of votes

I, Henry Ford, 4
L, Adolf Hitler, 5
P, Michelangelo, 7
R, ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab, 7
S, Nicolas Copernicus, 6

The big surprise is Hitler coming out of nowhere to get booted off Island Influential over such perennial vote-getters like Cyrus the Great.

Michaelangelo was the second-to-last artist on the list. Shakespeare fans the world over are rejoicing at the news at their guy being the most Influential Artist Ever.

(Personal observation: Did somebody actually vote for Plato? :eek: )

Names for round 10:

Inventors

Alexander Fleming, Scientist, Invented Penicillin
Antony van Leeuwenhoek, Scientist, Inventor of Microscope
Edward Jenner, Scientist, Developed Vaccination for Smallpox
Gugilemo Marconi, Scientist, Invented Radio
James Watt, British Scientist, Invented Steam Engine
Johann Gutenberg, Scientist, Inventor of Printing Press
Joseph Lister, Scientist, Developed Antiseptic Methods
Nikolaus August Otto, Scientist, Developed Internal Combustion Engine
Thomas Edison, American Scientist, 1,000+ inventions
Ts’ai Lun, Scientist, Inventor of Paper

Leaders

Alexander the Great, Macedonian Ruler, Formed Macedonian Empire
Augustus Caesar, Roman Princep, Founded Roman Empire
Cyrus the Great, Persian Emperor, Founded Persian Emperor
Genghis Khan, Mongol Ruler, Founded Mongol Empire
George Washington, American Statesman and General, Fought For Independence of United States
Josef Stalin, Dictator of USSR, Expanded Communism
Julius Caesar, Roman General, Ended Roman Civil Wars
Lenin, Russian Leader, Founded Communism in Russia
Mao Zedong, Chinese Dictator, Established Communism in China
Napoleon Bonaparte, French Emperor, Waged Napoleonic Wars
Sui Wen Ti, Chinese Emperor, Reunited China
William the Conquerer, Norman Duke and English King, Led In Norman Conquest of England

Philosophy

Adam Smith, Economist, Advocated Capitalism
Aristotle, Greek Philosopher
Confucius, Chinese Philosopher, Founder of Confucianism
Francis Bacon, Philosopher, Developed Scientific Method
John Locke, British Philosopher, Developed Democratic Ideas
Karl Marx, Economist, Founder of Communism
Lao Tzu, Chinese Philosopher, Founded Taoism
Plato, Greek Philosopher, Developed Platonism
Thomas Jefferson, American Statesman, Wrote Declaration of Independence, Louisiana Purchase
William Shakespeare, English Playwright

Religion

Buddha, Founder of Buddhism
Constantine the Great, Roman Emperor, Tolerated and Promoted Christianity in Rome
Jesus Christ, Founder of Christianity
Martin Luther, Theologian, Started Protestantism and Reformation
Mohammed, Founder of Islam
Moses, Jewish Prophet
St Paul, Christian Missionary and Apostle

Science

Albert Einstein, Scientist, Physicist, Theory of Relativity
Charles Darwin, British Scientist, Theory of Evolution
Enrico Fermi, Scientist, Developed Atomic Bomb
Ernest Rutherford, Scientist, Developed Subatomic Physics
Euclid, Greek Mathematician
Isaac Newton, British Scientist, Theory of Universal Gravitation and Motion
Johannes Kepler, Scientist, Developed Theories of Planetary Motion
John Dalton, Scientist, Atomic Theory
Louis Pasteur, Scientist, Pasteurization, Germ Theory of Disease
Max Planck, Scientist, Developed Therodynamics
Michael Faraday, British Scientist, Discovered Electromagnetism

I was 0 for 5 in the last round, so hopefully we can vote these bastards out this round… :wink:

Inventors. Nikolaus August Otto
Leaders. Mao Zedong
Philosophy. Lao Tzu
Religion. Constantine
Science. John Dalton

On a personal note, with that last post this has become my most succesful thread ever, beating out So, just what was Jesus’ message from all the way back in 2002. Party!

Inventors. Marconi
Leaders. Alexander the Great
Philosophy. Thomas Jefferson
Religion. Constantine
Science. Enrico Fermi

New votes: Alexander - this is my first “tough out” - his rule didn’t last long, but it did have long-lasting consequences; but everyone else remaining is also extremely important and influential. Fermi - 20th century physicists aside from Einstein really are too closely grouped for any one to be extremely influential.

Also: Wow, I didn’t expect my Hitler vote to bear fruit that fast. A brief justification: I think “influence” (in whatever direction) should include the influence being in a direction that the figure would have intended or approved, and Hitler’s long-term influence on the twentieth century includes dividing and weakening Germany and Europe in military terms, discrediting right-wing nationalism, dictatorship, (especially) “scientific” racism, and (more especially) “scientific” anti-semitism, and providing a serious impetus to the foundation of the state of Israel. I don’t think this was exactly what he was aiming at.

(Contrast Napoleon, whose code of law is still the basis of French and a lot of other jurisprudence, and who helped to established the metric system.)

Unchanged:

Inventions. Antony van Leeuwenhoek
Leader. Napoleon Bonaparte
Philosophy. Lao Tzu
Religion. Constantine the Great
Science. Johannes Kepler