That’s the dumbest thing I’ve read from you in this thread yet. I know David Greene. He’s one of the greatest people anyone could ever hope to know. Comparing him to Stafford as a QB is absurd.
The Lions have had a huge drop in season ticket sales. Partially due to bad performance, partly due to the economy. I hear rumblings that getting so many high draft choices will cost them a lot of money and assure losing millions this year. They are trapped. Paying millions to yet another rookie QB who will not show dividends for a couple years is a scary outlook. The best guarantee for not missing is a line backer or runner. QBs often fizzle. But is a linebacker or DB worth number 1 money?
Freeman belongs in the mid-to-late second round, but someone is going to reach because they’re convinced that he’s the end of the elite tier of quarterbacks.
Also, I didn’t want Tebow, but at this point, I think I would have warmed up to him by now if he came out.
This can be a fine draft for the Lions. I think they should try and stockpile as many picks as possible and I wouldn’t be surprised if they did that during the draft itself.
You’re right. David Greene put up better numbers in the same offense just a few years earlier. I don’t know Mr. Greene as a person, and for this discussion, it’s irrelevant.
I don’t know how many they’ll be able to stockpile if they keep the #1 pick. If I were them, I’d be desperate to give it away just to avoid the salary that comes with it; I’d take any other top-10 pick and whatever else you wanted to give me. A fourth next year? That’ll do.
I mean, if they go tackle, they’re assured of getting Oher at worst if they drop to, say, #6.
How does that not happen? Should the Browns draft a RT with #5?
So they’d end up with #29 (and a later pick) for the 2nd best young receiver in the league - still a bad deal for them (unless it’s a certainty that they can’t keep him, even factoring in the potential non-CBA 5 year RFA or being able to franchise him). The only receiver I’d trade Braylon Edwards for straight up would be Larry Fitzgerald. Trading him now would be selling low - he had a bad year due to being on a bad team with a horrible coach and bad quarterback play. He’ll bounce back.
I agree with this completely. However, GMs are worried about that stupid draft chart that whats his face came up with 15 years ago. If the trade doesn’t have “proper value” then the fans think you’re an idiot, even if the deal would’ve been good for your team. If I was the GM of the team, I’d trade the #1 overall pick straight up for the 5-10 if I had to. Who would even want that pick nowadays?
I’ve been thinking over the idea that teams choose their draft position based on their finishing record. Detroit would get to pick which spot they draft, then St. Louis… you could end up with a playoff team getting the #1 overall pick because no one wanted it.
Why not?
It’s not a sufficiently valuable position to justify the expenditure and contract. Same reason guards, centers, and unless they’re total freaks, safeties and tight ends don’t get drafted that high. No one to my knowledge has ever taken a tackle intended to be the right tackle that high. Sometimes they end up there because they couldn’t cut it on the left.
This is getting dumber by the second. It is not irrelevant, as I was trying to show you that I am unbiased when comparing the two.
David Greene had better numbers than Peyton Manning in a lot of categories. Does that mean a thing? No.
…not named Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, Roddy White, Calvin Johnson or Brandon Marshall.
I already included Larry Fitzgerald there.
Andre Johnson is probably the next best, and probably roughly equal to Braylon in skill. But given more injuries, and being 2 years older, I wouldn’t trade for him straight up.
Boldin also has a lot of milage on his body. From the rumors, the Giants have their pick of Edwards or Boldin and they’re going after Edwards.
Calvin Johnson I just forgot about. So Braylon may be 3rd.
Brandon Marshall is good, but benefited greatly from a pass crazy offense combined with a good quarterback. White put up similar yardage counts (with fewer TDs). They may end up being better, but I doubt it. I wouldn’t trade them straight up at this point.
Most of the receivers you’ve mentioned get extra production from playing in nice warm clients and/or domes. Edwards has to put up with weather like this from after this game.. Incidentally, that game (Bills vs Browns, week 15, 2007) is probably the best football purist game of the last few years. Catch it on NFL network sometime if it’s on.
I’m pretty confident Edwards will have a better career (not necesarily measured in raw stats) than anyone but Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson from that list.
That’s assuming that Braylon would resign. If he won’t resign, then you’ve got to give him up for something.
I’m with you, but someone else may feel the need to trade up and get that elite tackle, which if it shakes out that the tackle that Team X wants is available at 5 and they think he won’t fall to them a few picks later, they’ve got to make that move.
Would I draft a right tackle at 5? Probably not, but you would (theoretically) not have to worry about the line for a very, very long time.
None of those guys have Braylon’s issues with the dropsies, and none of them are whiners. That’s got to be worth something.
Boldin in 29, so maybe he doesn’t count as young anymore.
While I’m sure Cleveland is a thoroughly miserable place to be, you can’t tell me that you have more inclement weather than Denver, surely?
Roddy White caught passes from such luminaries as Joey Harrington, Byron Leftwich and Chris Redman in 2007, and still posted 1,200 yards. I don’t think Edwards gets much sympathy for having to catch passes from a guy who made the Pro Bowl the year before.
Braylon has had one very good year. However, any wideout who is healthy for a full season and starts every game but fails to reach 1,000 yards is not an elite player, almost by definition.
You personally knowing David Greene and saying that he’s the best person you ever could hope to know (ever) is irrelevant to football. If so, that’s good. I’m glad he’s a good guy, but that doesn’t have anything to do with football.
Jordan Gross was always projected as a RT, and he went #8. That’s the only one I can think of.
When has Braylon Edwards whined?
And Boldin is a complete headcase. Did you see him about to punch out his WR coach during their first run to the superbowl?
The other guys I don’t know about. Didn’t Brandon Marshall get arested for something boneheaded?
Yes, absolutely.
I once lost a pair of glasses because they flew away. No exaggeration. Normal wire-framed glasses, not exactly a wind catching design, were ripped off my face and flew off into the air never to be seen again.
Cleveland is worse than you’d think strictly based on the lattitude. It’s in a unique place where the air currents come down from central Canada and pick up moisture over Lake Erie creating a wet, windy environment. I’ve been to Edmonton and in the dead of winter, and while the temperatures were colder, you didn’t feel nearly as cold most of the time.
I’ve had to hit my car window end-on with the scraper stick in order to shatter the ice formed over one single night of freezing because it was too thick to scrape off.
That’s true, White is very good. Anderson/Edwards were intertwined though - Anderson wouldn’t have made the pro bowl if Edwards hadn’t made him look so good by making acrobatic catches of some bad passes.
Well - we’re talking about a team that had Ken Dorsey as QB, who had one of the worst coaches in recent history, who set a record for offensive futility by not scoring a touchdown for 6 games. He definitely had a bad year, but it was about as bad an environment as you could be in.
And I got $100 here that says Matthew Stafford will be a bust. Anybody wanna take a 5 year bet?
I’m in the wonderful position of agreeing with you, but hoping you’re wrong.