Which makes you favoring him over Taylor while using Taylor’s distant injury history as the rationale pretty kooky.
Omniscient, if you’re going to make an argument that the Pats love to throw to RBs, you can’t then say that Taylor will be better than Jordan. Jordan has definitely proven to be the more dangerous receiver. And on a team with Kevin Faulk, no one is getting a lot of passes other than him anyway.
Then again, LaMont Jordan doesn’t compare to Fred Taylor. Jordan can’t hold his jock.
You guys are really going to have to help me out here. Fred Taylor led the Jags in receptions by RBs in every season before MJD showed up when he was healthy. In most of those seasons he was the 2nd leading receiver on the team. When Taylor was the featured back he was averaging around 40 catches a season. Taylor is more dynamic than Jordan, even at 32 years old, in every way.
Jordan has had 1 season did anything and caught precisely 0 balls in NE. Did I miss the memo that says Jordan is a latter day Roger Craig?
The Pats throw the ball to RBs more than just about anyone and Kevin Faulk has gotten the lions share. Now, I’m not saying the Taylor is the greatest receiving RB ever but it’s something he’s proven to be very good at and he might supplant Faulk as the guy in those situations. It was evident last season that Jordan wasn’t in the Pats gameplan to catch balls so at this point Taylor is a hell of a lot better fit for that aspect of their offense. The point is that Taylor will open up things for that offense and make them a little less predictable when he is in the huddle.
What am I missing here guys? Are you guys related to LaMont Jordan or something?
Who the hell said anything about Jordan being a latter day Roger Craig? I’m saying that he’s a solid piece of the Pats’ preferred 3/4-headed monster, and that at this point in their respective careers he’s probably got a good deal more in the tank.
Taylor is 33. If he was 28, there’s no way we would be having this conversation, but he’s not. When 30+ year old backs start to decline, you can practically measure their fall in minutes, and if you watched any Jags games last season it should be pretty clear what he’s got left- nada.
There not being any previous reference to Craig on this thread aside, Jordan caught zero passes because he had zero targets all season. It’s tough to catch a pass that isn’t thrown to you.
This strikes me as illogical. We know that Kevin Faulk gets the “lions share” of the catches in NE, but somehow you think Taylor might come in and change this? That you think he could “supplant Faulk as the guy…” is pure conjecture, what evidence do you have that Taylor will see even 20 targets in 2009? Taylor has never once proven he was even good at catching passes, let alone “very good.” His best season was a 49 catch effort in 2002. Marion Barber had 55 last season, he seems to me to not be a guy known for his hands. Chester Taylor had 45, he’s not known for his hands. Leon Washington had 47 and he wasn’t even a starter. Hell, even Marshawn Lynch had 47 and he might be the least explosive starter in the league. Taylor’s very best season in catches isn’t even a noteworthy season for a starter.
If a guy who had a season in which he caught 70 passes in 14 games (with a respectable average yards per catch, mind you), which would have led the league in RB catches in 2008, can’t even get a single target, I don’t see Taylor making a big impact in the passing game as it stands now.
Again, all of this is just in regard to the passing game. I make absolutely no claim that Jordan is a more effective back in general, because that isn’t true. But I still wonder what Taylor is going to accomplish when the team has a defined pass catching back, an effective short yardage back, and Laurence Maroney is still hanging around too. Where are his carries coming from?
You don’t think the fact that Jordan, who you guys are claiming is a very good pass catcher, got ZERO looks in New England means anything? I’m taking that as evidence that the Pats didn’t think he was worth a damn.
I’m not sure how you’re discrediting Taylor receiving numbers, 40-50 catches is a very good number for a RB. The league leader in most seasons is only 60 or 70 for RBs.
I will bet any amount of money that Fred Taylor will be a more productive receiver than Jordan was in New England. And really that’s my point.
You guys are still talking about that when we had yet another Cleveland Brown involved in a motor vehicle accident?
Detroit gets Julian Peterson from Seattle. Great move!
In exchange for Cory Redding.
See, Cory Redding is young with some promise. Apparently the experiment is over, which is sad, because there is some upside. Defensive captain as well.
Trading down the first pick?
Just to dot the i’s and cross the t’s.
Lions and Seahawks trade details.
The Seahawks get Cory Redding, a young highly paid DT with 5 years left on a $47M contract. He should fit reasonably well in the Tampa-2 flavored 4-3 the Seahawks will probably be running this season. The Seahawks are also getting the Lions 5th round pick.
The Lions are getting Julian Peterson, a 5-time Pro Bowl LB who’s 31 years of age an has 4 years left his contract. He should fit opposite Ernie Sims on the outside giving the Lions a really nice tandem.
From a money standpoint the deal looks like a wash and both teams seem to diversify their defensive strengths with the move. I’m not sure why the Lions needed to throw in the draft pick, on paper it looks to me like it would have been a perfect one-for-one swap but a 5th rounder isn’t that critical.
The bloggers and pundits are all commenting on how this deal probably sends a pretty clear indication that the Lions won’t be drafting Aaron Curry. I’m pretty happy about this as a Bears fan since Curry was the one guy in the draft that scared me. Though it seems like a really savvy move for the Lions again, they can boost their defense this way and still use the #1 pick on a QB or OT. The Lions will almost certainly need to draft a DT to replace the departures of Rogers and Redding. I wonder if the Lions will target a ILB, maybe James Laurinaitis or Rey Maualuga if he slides, with their 2nd 1st rounder.
I just realized I’ve been confusing Peterson with Andre Carter for like 5 years. I thought Peterson was the end who switched to rush linebacker, and Carter was a true linebacker, but it was the other way around.
This makes it much more likely that the Seahawks will take Curry, which concerns me as a Browns fan.
Packers sign Anthony Smith.
Whoopee.
I think there’s a 0% chance that Curry slips to the 4th pick. And I’m sure there’s a joke I’m missing, but why do you care as a Browns fan?
Yeah. From what I’ve seen they don’t get past the [del]Chefs[/del] Chiefs.
No joke - obviously I thought there’s a decent chance he’d be there at #5.
Is he such a can’t-miss prospect that he’s considered a dead lock for top 3 as a linebacker? That would take a pretty rare talent, or I suppose a team too focused on one position or a bad top of the draft class.
Ah, I wasn’t thinking about it from a draft perspective. Forgot the Brownies were up next.
He’s the only guy I see with real WOW potential. A guy who’s game film and combine performances leave zero questions. Pretty much every expert has elevated him to the top of the class next to Crabtree. And when you consider that the top 3 teams in the draft are in bad shape defensively it’d be close to shocking if Curry fell past the Chiefs. The fact that OT is a very deep position in this draft makes it even more likely that the Rams will consider him at #2.
This isn’t precisely free agent news, but Donte Stallworth killed a man in an auto accident last Saturday. Reports are now surfacing that he was driving drunk during that accident, but those reports have not been confirmed by the police.
If true, the Browns will probably be looking for some more WR help.
Also if true, I hope he rots in jail. I fucking hate drunk drivers, particularly those that kill innocent bystanders.
If the whole sad Leonard Little saga is anything to go by, he won’t even miss a game.