Sorry Hank May I call you Hank, I couldn’t get back to this earlier. Thanks. Somebody touched on this a little further down, but no I don’t ascribe it merely to racism, but like crime seems more related to economics. I don’t know if all schools follow California’s model, but if they do then I wouldn’t be surprised if the results are similar. Oddly The Oakland Tribune ran a story on this very subject a week or so ago. It’s pretty lengthy but worth a read, you can find it here.
Good article. I guess the OP would think they are racist for pointing out that some kids aren’t getting the education they need.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
Thye department of justice figures on homocide reflect a gross despairity in homocides, both victims and offenders. While the total numbers are similar, you must consider that blacks are 12% of the population, committing 51.5 % of homocides. There is a problem here. Feel free to rationalize.
I don’t think you’re ignoring me; but quite frankly it does appear that you’re not particularly interested in considering evidence that might support something you don’t want to believe.
From “I dunno” to “not particularly interested in considering evidence that might support something you don’t want to believe” is one mighty big leap. Try instead translating “I dunno” into “I don’t know” and continue on with your point.
“Blacks score less on average than whites on the SAT” and “Blacks are stupider than whites” are two very different propositions. Asians outperform whites on SATs yet the sentiment “Whites aren’t as educated as Asians but that’s because of racism so really whites should be considered as smart as Asians even though they aren’t” never crossed anyone’s mind because no one has advanced the theory that whites are inherently stupid.
What Enlightened Racist do is assume that the SAT gap is just a sign of inferior intelligence of a whole race while never assigning the same inferiority onto their own race. The one time this did happened in print (The Bell Curve) it was debunked so quickly it made everyone’s head spin.
Tee problem with this argument is that it will always be one-sided, as far as citing goes anyway.
No one will ever be able to produce statistics to oppose the ones Biggirl has presented because to conduct those studies would be racist in itself.
No one will ever receive funding to determine if blacks REALLY ARE less intelligent than whites. That would be a “racist” study.
While the fact that 12% of the population commits 52% of the homicides is hard to believe, that in itself does not make the statistic false. It’s also hard to believe that the top 50% of the taxpayers pay 95% of the taxes (or whatever), but it’s true nonetheless.
Well, it’s the most reasonable explanation I can think of. You were presented with victimization rates for murders in 2001. If you wanted more evidence, you could have said “Just one year’s rates for murders doesn’t establish things to my satisfaction.”
Alternatively, if you disputed my claim about victimization, you could have said so. You could have conceded the point. Or you could have said “ok, it might very well be that black victimization rates are higher, but so what?” Instead, you chose a response that was not a response.
But feel free to offer your own explanation as to why you basically did not respond.
lucwarm I was thinking of your figures last night and this morning, while the news was reporting on my city’s 57th & 58th (I think) homicides. In Oakland the vast majority (I’m thinking 80%, the Oakland Tribune ran a special feature in January after last years record homicide rate that I’m using for the basis of my hypothesis* ) of murders have been drug/gang related. Fight’s over turf so to speak. I really don’t find your numbers too surprising. Many black communities like the flat lands of Oakland, have many areas of open-air drug dealing, and with it the accompanying jockeying for position. I’m not sure if that being the case it shows inherent criminality, rather than again being a function of the socio-economic conditions present.
- I’ll try to dig that up if requested.
I think that, in essence, you are incorrect here. I’ve seen the theory advanced that Orientals are ahead of whites in the intelligence department.
Again, I’m not sure who you think is an “enlightened racist,” but I for one am willing to consider the possibility that Asians, on average, are inherently superior in intelligence to Whites. (And in case you care, I’m white.)
Please keep in mind the reason I posted the statistics. I’m trying to establish that blacks commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime in the US. Suprisingly (to me!), there are people here who won’t accept this.
The question of causation – inherent criminality versus socio-economic conditions – is a tougher question. On that question, I’m happy to concede that socio-economic conditions may very well play a significant role.