The Age of Ultron Seen It Thread

I agree it would have been awesome if Matt Murdoch got a mention.

Depending on how closely they’re tying the timelines of the TV series to the movies, Murdock just barely started beating people up in back alleys a few weeks ago. He’s probably not on Shield’s radar yet, barely above the level of street-thug vigilante.

No, but they realistically should go for kick-assery. :slight_smile: If killing someone who was too dangerous to live exempts the Vision, it should also exempt Thor, viking warrior.

My Google fu is hoooorrriibbblleee but if anyone can find it

Some user here who is apparently a comics guru wrote a long-ass post one time detailing Ultron and what happened to make him him and how vision works into the story and everything. It was quite a long post but it explained everything beautifully.

If I had any memory whatsoever about it I would link to the post because it really answers a lot of history questions…

wikipedia seems like an easy source to go to…but the comics are different and aren’t going to help too much with the movie.

I’ve seen this before - innocence has nothing to do with worthiness. a newborn superhuman couldn’t life Mjolnir either despite the presumed innocence of a 6 hour old human (although my wife would argue that there is no innocent fetus, having been kicked in the bladder too many times with our boys).

Vision is worthy because he’s good at heart and willing to do what needs to be done. Thor is willing to fight and make tough choices to eventually rule a kingdom. Cap is willing to fight and a good person, but not the kind of person that’s willing to sacrifice thousands to save millions, which is why he could budge the hammer but not lift it. Vision is both willing to fight and willing to exterminate a threat in support of the greater good. That’s why he can wield the hammer.

That’s why I think it’s a combination of innocence and having a developed moral code. An infant may be innocent, but it also doesn’t have any conception of right and wrong. Tony Stark knows right from wrong, but he’s too willing to make compromises for either the “greater good,” or his own short-term entertainment, to be worthy. The Vision knows right from wrong, but is innocent, in that he’s never had to compromise his morality.

I don’t see Thor as the “willing to sacrifice thousands to save millions” type. He seems like the type who’d go down fighting to save everyone, sure right up until his last breath that he’s going to be able to do it, because he’s fucking Thor, goddammit, and he does not lose.

It finally came out in China so I had the opportunity to go see it. The theater was packed and I assume whoever did the translation did a good job because the audience reacted appropriately at many of the jokes. That didn’t happen during the first Avengers movie (several of the jokes went over their heads - like playing Galaga).

A fun but flawed movie. My 7 year old son loved it though (except when they were talking instead of fighting).

And then said “Nope, nothing.” :slight_smile:

AFAIK, there are three people in the comics other than Thor who have been worthy enough to lift the hammer; Captain America, Superman (during one of the crossovers they did in the '90s), and an anonymous NYC firefighter at Ground Zero.

How much are movie tickets there now? I saw Episode III of Star Wars there in 2005, specifically Beijing, and tickets were pretty cheap.

They were half-price today at 55RMB. Normally, a 3D movie would run 100 or 110RMB. The theater I attended hasn’t changed its prices in the 4 years it’s been open.

Plus Beta Ray Bill, Storm, Odin, Cole Laux, Eric Masterson, Bor, Buri, Loki!, Wonder Woman, Black Widow, Alex Power, Rogue and Conan the Destroyer. Among others. :stuck_out_tongue:

From the various chatter they’ve released, I don’t think the MCU Civil War is going to really be about registration. I think the focus will be more about superheroes requiring government oversight / approval to use their abilities.

I agree, nobody in the MCU has a secret identity. Spiderman probably will, and maybe Black Panther, but that is not enough to drive the registration plot.

Oh, okay, then. Having a handler keeping an eye on him should prevent all future rampages. :dubious:

In the future, everyone will get to lift Mjolnir for 15 minutes.

…either Marvel’s Conan is a lot more kind-hearted than the one in the Howard stories or Asgard is really lowering their standards, because Conan is the last person who ought to be considered worthy of the power of Thor.

I think in a pinch, Mjolnir will let just about anybody lift it temporarily.

Walt Simonson on “worthy” and why Beta Ray Bill can pick up the hammer…

Link.

“12 Other Characters Who Have Lifted Thor’s Hammer”.

I found this specifically because I was looking to see if Magneto had/could. Apparently according to this he kinda did, though they imply it was a cheat because basically he manipulated everything around the hammer.

Which gets you kinda into the zen territory… absurd extensions of Iron Man & Captain America’s “well what if it’s in an elevator”… these are sort of "Well what if you removed all gravity around the hammer, did you lift it?