Although note the confusion in this very thread.
Well, if they’re saying “meh,” then I agree!
Quibbles aside, what really matters is whether the movie pops or not. I don’t think it did. I don’t get the impression from a lot of people that they think this is really the best Whedon could have done. Compare the enthusiasm for Guardians of the Galaxy to this movie. No comparison, really. I thought GoG was a solid B+, nice fun, but I could not say people were enthusiastic to advance my B+ case. No, people were all over that shit. (It was certainly a much better movie than Ultron.)
I agree. Pretty dumb stuff.
I think it’s in a weird, unique category of its own. Movies like Iron Man 2 and 3 are just bad, whereas Ultron has the feel of a “good” movie that is manifesting metal fatigue: something that just doesn’t feel right.
But not in a memorable way.
Not confusion, lack of attention. People who listened heard it. People who were paying attention to the plot understood it. People who were looking for things to criticized missed it.
Yet a lot of people did remember it. So you’re wrong for x number of people, which makes your overgeneralization wrong.
Right. When a lot of people, presumably invested enough in this movie to go opening weekend and fight the crowds, and then come into this thread to discuss it, were confused by something, it was obviously because they were poor moviegoers, no chance at all that the movie was confusing.
He pretty much said, “all that will remain will be metal.” Seemed really clear to me.
Just saw it in 3D, so I can’t comment on the cheesy CGI, since 3D makes everything a bit cheesy. Loved Cap throwing his own motorcycle. Reminds me that Cap has super-strength too, just not Hulk & Thor level.
Great fun though. I liked it as much as I remember liking the first one. Maybe people’s expectations are too high, especially for a sequel when things aren’t as new. I know I’ll pick out lots of little things and maybe a couple big things when I see it again on DVD or something. Most movies are that way these days.
I just read an article the other day about Loki being deleted from the movie because the movie was already full with stuff going on. A director’s cut or at least the deleted scenes on the DVD should have a lot of good material, and I could tell during the movie that lots of things were cut. Thor’s puddle scene with the scientist from his movies didn’t blend well. I don’t get the big deal with that scientist guy anyway. He & Jane Foster are the worst part of them.
Quicksilver’s demise was crap! Hate you Joss Whedon! “Didn’t see that coming.” Oh, shove it! I hoped you’d gotten your mileage out of that gag and moved on. The whole time I was thinking, “it’s so obvious Hawkeye is dying. He’s not a super major character and they’re setting it up all over the place, why are they spending so much time on him otherwise?” Do the Avengers even need me? Yeah, yeah. I get it. He’s a goner. Damn you Joss Whedon! I liked this Pietro, and so much better than the X-men movie one.
Scarlet Witch was awfully powerful. Back when I was reading Avengers, she was about the only one whose power could damage Ultron’s adamantium armor but that was unique to her probability altering power. I wish they had kept that instead of her somewhat generic telekinesis & mind fucking. Someone asked what a gay guy thinks of her. I’d say she’s certainly attractive like lots of actresses, but not as eye-catching as Johansen.
Boy, von Strucker got screwed. I thought he’d play more of a role & get some more screentime but he was practically an extra.
Seems like some scenes from the trailers weren’t in the movie.
The Vision wasn’t as awesome as my childhood memories was hoping for, but pretty cool anyway. Making him somehow worthy of holding Mjolnir & giving him the mind gem/stone was a interesting twist. Vision’s forehead gem always reminded me of Warlock’s soul gem and I guess it did Joss Whedon, too. I didn’t think they’d actually do that.
Why does Thanos want the Infinity Stones but keeps loaning them out? Because he’s Thanos and he’s an arrogant bastard the likes & power of whom we haven’t seen yet, that’s why. And he’s mad. Guess he’ll just have to get them himself now.
One last thing: isn’t it about time people quit needed Trigger Warnings every time a building falls down? Ooh, it reminds me of 9/11! That was a long time ago now. Let buildings fall down. They do in action movies. People die too!
2nd biggest opening weekend of all time. Scoreboard.
If that isn’t enough, at the showing I attended (Saturday matinee), the crowd was into it to the point that audience reactions–including cheers and spontaneous applause–happened frequently throughout the movie. Quicksilver’s death got a collective gasp/awwwwww. Several one liners got laughter. This movie was very much “an event”.
WEeeellll there is that blue stuff that brought Coulson back to life, we expect that the jesus juice is all gone, but its hollywood.
Declan
Same here.
But I get it. I miss things during movies and tv shows…lots of things. This line I didn’t miss.
The impression I got was that Ultron’s original plan was to cause an extinction level event to force the humans that survived to evolve to the next level. That’s why he was working with Wanda and Pietro, he saw them as having already gotten there. They were proof of what was possible.
After they betrayed him, he said “f*** it, metal it is!”
The movie was less “Gee wowza!” for me than the first one, but I liked it.
Since Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch and Vision are my three favorite characters the movie was bittersweet.
If they didn’t do the Quicksilver open-eyes laying on the ground shot, I would hold out hope that they could save him by putting him in the cradle.
Also… Vision should have had a penis.
So for Agents of Shield…the end of the movie certainly implied SHIELD was back…unless the “Avengers” is now an umbrella organization.
I liked the characterization on this Pietro better, but I like the effects on X-Men better. But Hawkeye not a super major character? In comic terms, Quicksilver debuted 6 months earlier than Hawkeye, but they’ve both been in near constant use for 51 years. If I had to guess, I’d say Hawkeye a bit more, and definitely more time spent with the Avengers, which was his main book through most of those 5 decades (though both initially joined the Avengers in the same issue).
ETA:
Not saying you’re wrong, but my interpretation was that Ultron intended human extinction and was just using the twins as a means to an end. His evolution was human-to-AI. When the twins found out they were being played, he no longer had to hide his goal.
Thats what she said
Yeah, like a certain carrier raised a few eyebrows when I seen it, supposedly its been in Mothballs, so that makes Adama’s carrier a more conventional one, if they are not one in the same.
Declan
Does the number 616 hold some signifigance in the marvel universe.
Declan
There is a difference between being confused by something and completely missing or forgetting something that is explicitly stated and made clear. It just makes you sound dumb when someone points out your complaint was explained out loud during the movie you just watched and you dismiss it as “confusing”. It was not, you either missed something or forgot what you saw, that is a problem with YOU not the movie.
I believe that is the actual number of the universe.
Very much. The main Marvel comic universe is 616. Alternate universe stories take place in different numbered universes.
I remember Hawkeye well from the comics, but he was never my favorite or seemed to headline many stories. I don’t know how popular he is with movie audiences. Anyway, they were playing up his family & personal life enough I should have seen the fake out but I don’t really analyse action movies much on the first sit through.
The whole Ultron & Vision thing is a bit confusing and I’ll have to sort it out in my head. It doesn’t surprise me that the Mind Gem/Stone would have a certain intelligence in it but a computer-like AI? Seems weird but Infinity Stones are weird things.
616 is the designation for one of the various incarnations & versions of the Marvel Universe. There isn’t just one. 616 is the main universe I think.
616 is the catalog number for “Rio” by Duran Duran.