I forgot to attribute that to wikipedia. My mistake, I certainly wasn’t trying to pass it off as my own. Hence the quote box.
I chose it because the quote does reflect what the 5th November means to the majority of people. It was the foiling of the plot rather than the killing of the plotters.
yeah…well done…you have actually missed the part where I disagree with the burning of effigies and anti-catholic displays.
Very difficult to remove hundreds of years of tradition at a stroke but were the plot to be foiled today I would be strongly critical of turning any celebration into the bigoted political expediency of 400 years ago. This being the 21st century and all.
Fair point. The bill was some months after the initial celebration. I’d suggest it was the drafting of that that enshrined the anti-catholic sentiment. Not the the UK at that time needed much prompting to be anti-catholic.
Of course now, any sectarian feelings are lost. It is just a day for fires, fireworks and sausages. With perhaps a hint of “king didn’t die”
As I have said consistently. I know it is a minority. It may not reflect the view of the country at large.
I merely think that when that is the impression of Americans broadcast to the world it is regrettable, even if it is understandable.
And that part of my nature which is gruesome and ghoulish eagerly awaits
release of the real McCoy photos. I only hope nobody beats me to the punch
posting a link to them right here.
Vengeance isn’t the only ‘‘natural’’ human reaction, or else I and swaths of people wouldn’t be feeling the way we do. Maybe I’ve read one too many books like Lord of the Flies, but I generally don’t believe these kind of things just stop here. Violence fucking creeps me out. Everything from social psychology to history demonstrates the way it spreads and is reinforced and corrupts the human mind. One corpse of one scumbag may not seem like it matters much in the grand scheme of things, but it will all contribute to the desensitization of humans to acts of violence. It will fan the flames of both terrorism and anti-Muslim sentiment and probably result in some fresh hell for the American people.
I was appalled by 9-11, I was appalled by the war in Iraq, and I’m appalled by this. It doesn’t have to be about moral superiority. Some of us just want the killing to stop. While I don’t love the celebration of death, what disturbs me even more is how quickly certain people feel entitled to shut down the debate. Feelings of vengeance aren’t the only ones that count.
Because I find the OP to be stupid, tinged with a bit of unabashed America hate.
Our culture can be violent, insensitive, ignorant, loud, over-patriotic, and full of bible thumpers among a billion other things anyone can pick on… So what? The post was a thinly disguised disingenuous opportunity to bash America for more of its annoying antics, rather than about the actual event at hand, and I’m calling bullshit on it.
Being gruesome or morbid isn’t only an American thing… It’s a human thing, and fuck anyone for thinking otherwise. Get over yourselves.
Our military finally brought justice to the leader of one of the most horrendous attacks on our soil in our history… Cut the overzealous some slack.
That, sir, is a matter of opinion and not a fact, although I do acknowledge that expressing your opinions as fact is pretty much the only thing you do on this forum.
We also played army in the school playground although, amazingly in both scenarios have we managed to realise that we were not actually killing real people. OBL was real, in case you hadn’t realised.
You do realize that you still sound like an ignorant, babbling, inbred idiot who’s inordinately proud of himself, even if you oh-so-cleverly throw in a disingenuous “sir”… right?
Are you really quite so stupid that you think there’s a Justice-o-meter sitting somewhere (probably in Europe)? Do you truly lack the basic cognitive framework to understand that for all of human history, people have argued for what they viewed as right and just and were, perforce, discussing their own normative value judgements, no different in objective validity if they are from the School of Athens or over beers after work? Is your mind really so substandard that you think it’s somehow a cutting revelation that when someone argues for something being right and just that they’re discussing value judgments and not that they’ve performed mass spectroscopy and identified how many atoms of justicium and rightium are contained in the claim?
Are you really that stupid?
Or, should I say, is it Wednesday again?
Now go start another ATMB thread where you cry about being insulted in the Pit and admit that you’re dishonestly trying to “get someone in trouble” because you are a giant retarded child.