My comment was in regards to this proposed “culture of fascination with violence” that America is being accused of being the sole proprietor of. It isn’t.
True, I was hasty. Let’s just say it gets messy with the PM’s involvement in the CoE. There’s a reason why Blair waited until he left office to “convert”.
OKay, NOW, I’m joining the celebrations. That demonic bastard.
No, I just realise that there is no factual answer to what is just and so state something is just as if it is a fact is, well, a little bit dishonest and stupid. But hey, that’s you rthing isn’t it?
Which reminds me, you didn’t call me a liar. I’m hurt. I usually really enjoy that bit.
True. I was distracted by FinnAgain being a bit of a twat again.
Personally, I just accept that different cultures react in different ways. I find the American obsession with guns a bit weird, but Americans find our excitement over football weird. People are different and I try not to judge people just on being different to me. That’s why there’s certains types of discussions that I just don’t get into anymore, like the aforementioned guns. Different areas of the world are just different. But even then, FinnAgain is a bit of a cock.
The reason for Blair waiting was that advisers correctly decided that as a British Prime Minister, we “don’t do god”
The British public would be suspicious of people professing and degree of deep faith.
Okay, now that was funny. This is the first zinger I’ve read in The Pit in a long while that actually made me laugh out loud. Well played, well played.
He was widely known to be religious whilst in office. Remember Paxman asking him if he prayed together with GWB?
No, you’re demonstrating that you’re a huge, flailing special-needs case, again.
You are actually sufficiently retarded that you’re willing to argue that whenever someone argues for what is right and just, that they’re being “dishonest”, let alone “stupid”. You hydrocephalic waddling toddler, you are actually arguing that someone is both lying and stupid if they argue that something is just or unjust. And you’re doing so in the same exact post where you’re mewling about the use if the word “liar”, you utter idiot.
P.S. Learn to multiquote, Commander Cognitively Challenged.
But seriously, I am also somewhat disgusted by the celebrations. College students who were 10 or less on that fateful 9/11 out partying because OBL was killed makes little sense. New Yorkers, otoh, who have that day burned in their memory get much more of a pass for feeling a sense of justice and reacting from a more visceral place.
The reality is, his death is largely symbolic at this point rather than a resolution to anything. It’s not as if we just won anything by finally getting the individual. We have and, IMO still are making huge mistakes with our foreign policy and the American public lacks the will to really demand some answers and some changes.
ftr; I’m also somewhat disgusted by the need to immediately turn this into some political football to toss around, by politicians and those who have such a knee jerk distaste for Obama that they can’t seem to allow him any accomplishment.
You didn’t argue for what is “just”. You told us what is “just” as if such a thing was a fact. There is a difference, but unfortunately you don’t appear to have the sufficient intelligence to understand it.
ps.
I know how to. I simply prefer to reply to posts individually. I’m afraid you’ll just have to deal with it, darling.
Right on. <handshake>
For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Chuck him out, the brute!”
But it’s “Saviour of 'is country” when the guns begin to shoot;
An’ it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ anything you please;
An’ Tommy ain’t a bloomin’ fool – you bet that Tommy sees!
I seem to remember an awful outcry for action right after 9/11 … there were a hell of a lot of cars and trucks flying flags, and some serious numbers of people acting all anti-islam …
I was going to post, “This thread and the others prove that you guys just don’t get it, and probably never will, and we’re unlucky enough to be right next to you,” but your post gives me hope that there are some Americans who actually DO get it. Now, finish up your schooling and start changing the world already, would you? 
Obnoxious, self-righteous and supporting new agey twaddle.
I think this approaches the gold standard.
As usual, Samuel Jackson says it best.
True, I remember how uncomfortable he was with it as well.
I find your sentiments appalling, and if further provoked I may be forced into a moue of distaste.
What you call a “debate” is you going into a courtroom and throwing buckets of blood on the families of the victims, calling them monsters for attending the trial.
I don’t like violence either. I’m not celebrating Bin Laden’s death, as a death, on its own. But it isn’t right for Bin Laden to commit mass murder and get away with it, possibly helping future terrorist attacks. Is it? So isn’t it something to celebrate that we finally stopped that from happening?
Yes, it is awkward, because while stopping that from happening is worthy of celebration, in this case it takes the form of a death. Just as it is awkward for families of victims of a small scale murderer to celebrate a guilty verdict in a death penalty case. But who created that awkward situation? Who committed mass murder and then refused to turn himself in quietly? We can’t celebrate finally stopping the guy because he resisted being stopped?
Essentially, you are starting out by assuming the American Public are ghouls, and then deducing more false statements from your initial falsehood. Try starting out by supposing, just supposing, that most Americans aren’t ghouls. I know it’s hard for you. Compare the two thought processes:
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The American Public are ghouls
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We can safely extrapolate the actions of a tiny percentage to the whole country
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Anyone celebrating Bin Laden being brought to justice is feeling only unbridled joy: They had already gotten over Bin Laden’s mass murdering and forgotten him, so this is nothing but joyful, cold bloodlust
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The Americans so love blood that they are happier now than if 9/11 hadn’t happened
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The American Public are ghouls
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The American Public are not ghouls
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We cannot safely extrapolate the actions of a tiny percentage to the whole country
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People celebrating Bin Laden being brought to justice realize celebrating a death is awkward, but it isn’t their fault Bin Laden murdered 3000 of their fellow citizens to set up the awkward situation, and they aren’t feeling just unbridled joy: They had never gotten over Bin Laden’s mass murdering and forgotten him, making this a complex, emotional event filled with things like relief and closure as well as joy
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Just as the family of the victim of a murderer can celebrate his guilty verdict in a death penalty case without being glad he killed their relative, Americans can celebrate finally catching a mass murderer on a bigger scale without being glad he did what he did
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The American Public are not ghouls
It borders on the absurd, I would agree, to state that the American public is “fucking gruesome” for being relieved that Bin Laden is gone and happy that some justice has been meted out. I don’t at all endorse this pitting. Nevertheless … it does strike me as at least uncouth to express the unbridled joy I’ve seen from a few quarters, expressions that we should have (say) defiled the corpse in however many ways and then paraded the defilement for everyone to see.
That isn’t a lot of people, certainly no one I know personally. But they appear to exist and it makes me a bit uncomfortable. It seems like a bit more solemnity is apropos to this kind of situation – solemnity not being contradictory to relief or happiness but, very probably, joy.