Just to put a finer point on it, this is ignorant and offensive rhetoric and not what you really believe, right? You’re not honestly suggesting that people ‘look Jewish’ or that you could tell someone’s religion now, or in Germany, based on their clothes or hair style?
Orthodox Jews do stick out ! Some Jews do have lots of money ! That is why they made such good targets which is my point. Naturally the fact that most jews aren't rich or dress differently is conveniently overlooked.Oh no… I just ask people if they are Hare Krishna… because you know their shaved heads just don’t signal it enough to me.
It’s conveiently overlooked because of hamfisted generalizations like “Jews stick out” or “Jews have lots of money”.
And simply for the record, no, Orthodox Jews, as a rule, do not stick out, but many of the ultra-orthodox do.
If you mean to say that some Jews, and a decidedly small subset of us, by the way, have distinguishing features/behaviors, then that’s a far better thing to say than “Jews stick out and have lots of money.”
That’s just stupid. There are many, many, many Jews in this country and the world over who don’t have any features like ‘shaved heads’ to pick them out by. People can be Ethopian, Russian, Spanish, etc… and still trace their genetic lineage back to ancient Jews. People can convert to Judaism, and they are, at least by most Jews, considered to be fully Jewish. Hell, you could be sitting next to a Jew the next time you eat lunch and have no clue that they’re Jewish. In short, your formulation is, at best, ignorant and dangerous, and at worst bigoted and offensive.
Its **not what I think ** or not of jews that is the issue… its the fact that if you want to pick on a black… you get a guy with dark skin and you pick on him. If you want to pick on a jew… you pick on the guys with the different clothing and hair. Now if he doesn’t wear anything wierd… we just look for the jewish names in the phone book and then pick on him.
Naturally more than a few will be left out of the stereotypes. Still it doesn’t stop people from picking on blacks, jews, asians, white trash, or any other group. I’m just saying that some stick out… and were convenient fodder for distraction. Its the nature of discrimination.
Now if you want to be politically correct and pretend that people aren’t singled out fine… that blacks are well loved and equally treated members of the community… fine. That jewish names and clothing are never different from “regular” germans… fine. Its simply not true. Stereotypes can be very wrong… ok… we know that.
In some instances, yes. But not, however, when you’re using it as the foundation for the opening salvo of an argument. In that case, which is what we have here, the responsibility for ensuring accuracy lies entirely with the guy making the OP.
If I wanted to argue against a point someone was making a point supported by a quotation I might doubt the accuracy of, then, yeah, it’s my job to impeach the source. but that ain’t what’s going on here.
Don’t forget their big noses, Rashak. You can tell them by their big Jew noses too.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Sarcasm people, sarcasm
Don’t forget skin conditioner and aftershave.
Poor Rashak. There will always be people like this to totally confuse him. 
so my former boss named Steinberg would have selected? he was black.
so was my former employee Flanagan.
different clothing and hair, well if the Pope fits…
Jesus Christ, people, he’s not talking about his perceptions of Jews, he’s talking about how bigots perceive Jews.
Of all the stupid arguments I’ve seen on these boards, this one is definetly somewhere in the middle.
I don’t agree Miller.
Although his position is greatly ameliorated by his statement that he’s just repeating racist slogans… It still would’ve been nice if instead of saying “Jews stick out” and “Jews have lots of money” if he said that was a common slur, or what have you. As it stands, it was very hard to tell that those thoughts weren’t his own.
As I’m sure you can imagine, a history of persecution can make one a bit edgy around certain slurs, especially slurs that’ve traditonally led to death and pain. It’d be like someone, in a thread asking why people hate gays saying
“Well, gays are effeminite promiscous wimps who have unprotected sex without caring about their partners and they want to corrupt children especially underage boys and they lisp and have limp wrists so they’re an easy target.”
And then coming back to qualify it, after a half dozen posts, by saying “Oh, no, that’s the bigoted position. Not mine.”
Did somebody just said, “Jesus Christ”? Taliban is here! Taliban is HERE!
FinnAgain, I can see how his initial post could be read like that, but how many times does the guy have to clarify what he meant before people stop busting in with the sextuple-rolleye-smileys? I figured it out around the fourth go-round, and I’m not exactly a super genius over here.
Ah, agreed. After post 85 I chalked it up to severe boneheadedness rather than any malice or bigotry.
Sounds like Rashak thinks he himself has an infallible eye for the “different” ones based on external appearance.
Hopefully he’s starting to get the idea of the problems associated with ethnic stereotyping.
Yeah, it does. If you ignore everything else he’s posted in this thread, and the post to which he was directly responding. Taken in context, though, it’s pretty fucking clear that that’s not what he thinks.
Or he’s starting to get the idea of the problems associated with trying to defend himself to some of you people once you’ve already made up his mind what he thinks, no matter how contrary it is to everything he’s actually said.
Okay, that was snarkier than necessary. Sorry. But the basic point still stands. There are particular modes of dress and hairstyles that are associated with Jews, and these have historically been elements of their repression. Pointing this out is not the same as saying that all Jews dress the same way, and it is certainly a far cry from endorsing said persecution. All of which Rashak Mani has said himself, repeatedly, in this very thread.
Course, there’s still the name thing that irked me. I grew up in a town that had a diverse population, if you called"99.9% white, but we’ll let one hispanic family and two Asian families come in," diverse. Not all were Christian, however. and very few of them had what many folks seem to see as ‘traditionally Jewish’ names.
Sometimes the burden of being “misunderstood” is lightened by thinking before speaking.
Anyway, time to let this go, as I need to get home for dinner (mmmm, fried chicken and watermelon tonight!).