That came across as extra-harsh. When two posters get in a line-by-line back-and-forth, I tend to skip those posts. Also, there’s the other reason I wrote that, which is I had you confused with DSeid, who’s the one really getting in the back-and-forth with Pantastic. Turns out it was his posts, not yours, I was skipping over. Sorry about that!
I’m with jsgoddess and the others: having looked through your posts in the thread up to this point, I’m not seeing where you quoted the portion of the article where two staffers complained. Which post did you do that in, do you mind?
And I just reread that article (here’s the link again). The word “two” doesn’t appear in it (after reading, I searched for that word, as well as “both” and “staffers”, in case I’d missed something) The only thing I can find is the word “allegations.” Is that what you’re basing the claim on?
Sometimes (even often) online news articles are edited after they are first posted. Any chance the article **Pantastic **posted has changed since first went online?
Occasionally I enjoy his political columns—when he stays focused on political issues and refrains from folksy digressions.
But he’s unfunny, the Lake Wobegon shtick is tedious and lame, and it baffles me how he’s become America’s Mr. Poetry when he reads everything in a dull monotone. I blame him for the somnolent delivery that has spread everywhere in public radio.
From the few moments I’ve heard of Lake Wobegone I’ve heard, I have determined to avoid listening to it. I’m not concerned with somnolent delivery, I’m concerned with announcers ending? and inserting? question marks? when they shouldn’t be there?
In other words–
You’re rude; you refuse to follow social convention (such as shaking hands, or even fist-bumping); and you’re proud of it.
Is that an accurate summary?
I’ve been sexually harassed in the workplace, usually by bosses. I resent the entitled attitude that seems to motivate it and am relieved it’s finally under fire.
Having said that, though, I also think a certain amount of common sense that should come into play. Of course, sense may be common but isn’t universal, so we have workplace training that forbids touching a coworker anywhere for any reason or complimenting a coworker on appearance, even “Nice tie, Bob!” But come on, in most workplaces, we develop work friends and get to know those people pretty well. I might then compliment my chum Carrie on her new hairstyle, and I’m certainly not going to get huffy if my pal George playfully shoulder-punches me. I treat everyone I’m not work friends with strictly by the no-touch, no-compliment rules.
There’s a difference between a friendly gesture toward a friend and a sexual one toward, well, anyone. If you can’t tell the difference, you shouldn’t touch anyone at work, period.
Fist bumping? At work? Are you a pro-sports player? Fist bumping is not part of any professional environment that I’ve ever worked in.
And in all these threads and posts, I don’t think anyone (except one person) is considering “shaking hands” as part of the discussion.
Right. Like I said in the other thread some of us have spent a whole career w/o inflicting “accidental” assgrabs, or unsolicited come-ons at the office.
Still waiting for Pantastic to show where there was a claim of two accusers and to acknowledge that MPR explicitly stated that they know of this one and no other.
Might be waiting for a while I think.
Why DO posters here just make shit up when they know it is so easy to check?
BTW, I read that Minn Public Radio is even rebranding A Prairie Home Companion from here on out. This seems a bit unnecessary. Of course, we know MPR did not retire the show name when Keillor left it, because of the brand recognition, but would the association be that strong and toxic? Is it that as long as they keep the name he gets a cut?
Brand recognition was important to get the old listeners to give the Chris Thile show a try but after that it provides little ongoing value. By now it has to float or sink of its own accord and stations have decided to carry it or not moving forward based on its own value, not on its past.
OTOH dropping the name sends a strong PR message of absolute and quick support for victims and zero tolerance. Again, in the context of both Franken in MN and National Public Radio’s own sexual predator scandal, and their demographics, the value of that could OTOH be significant.
The only time I’ve touched someone at work was when a female co-worker had an injury and burst out crying she was so upset. I patted her shoulder because while on one hand, I think no touching is needed at work (to do our jobs) but I’m a human being sympathetic to someone crying. My boss (who also doesn’t like to be touched) was standing right there too and I hope she understood where I was coming from. I’m female if that matters.
Because all men sexually harass women? Or because you think that these men are being accused unjustly, hence all men will eventually also be accused unjustly? Please, tell us what you think.
Perhaps, then, you would be good enough to tell us how exactly you manage to shake hands with people without touching them.
You have assured us, in multiple posts, and in no uncertain terms, that you DO NOT touch people at work.
This is my experience, too. I have social anxiety and am not a touchy person in general. I do not relate at all to the experiences of those saying all touch is taboo and unexpected in every workplace. That said, outside of working for myself where I only have remote employees, I had previously mostly worked in retail and restaurants - where it would be easier to list people who haven’t touched someone. Hugs, sitting on my lap, holding my hand, making sexual comments (to me) were typical. Even putting aside the sexually oriented interactions, the hand and arm touching type stuff was a regular occurrence. After my latest business imploded I took an entry level job at a big company and I haven’t been touched outside of handshakes (eta: and fist-bumping), but I make it a point to keep to myself and not invite too much interaction. I have received verbal come-ons (mostly by women), though.
I just posted that “shaking hands” is not part of the “No touching at work” discussion. You even quoted it.
Updating this thread some more information has come out:
Actually: